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Old 01-06-2003, 05:35 PM   #16
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What's wrong with using Limewire? < www.limewire.com >
*COUGH* that's a joke i hope.... nasty nasty nasty.
 
Old 01-06-2003, 06:10 PM   #17
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Ok, but since I couldnt get mi squid script to work I can't limti KAzaa's bancdwidth usage so when I'm downloading with kazaa I can'0t download even a copy of the new samba source. I know samba, I use it a lot, I just didn't know the history... whough I'm not surprised by M$'s attitude.

I have a stetoscope... perhaps if I put in in my modem I'll be able to listen how kazaa connects . Anyway, I figured that it would be easyer to create a whole protocol than to revese engineer fasttrack.
 
Old 01-06-2003, 07:14 PM   #18
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"if it was so easy to create such a software don't you think that there would be more clients for linux???"

Got me there, good point.
I feel a really cheesy song coming on ...

"No-one ever said it was gonna be eezeaah .... "

Writing software isn't easy for most people. But that ever stopped the remaining few. Asking Sharman (whatever) Networks about the protocol might be an idea first. If not, or they present you with a "cease and desist" notice, set about reverse engineering - look up the information from Samba about how they debugged packets from Windows boxes. And release on GPL.

Easy.
 
Old 01-07-2003, 09:10 AM   #19
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It would be an interesting project, that's for sure. I'l look in to it.
The only things is, I don't know whare to start. Somehow I have got to monitor what kazaa does. But how?
 
Old 01-07-2003, 10:37 AM   #20
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Ok... first of all send a mail to sharman asking them about the protocol... I doubt they'll release that.

There are a few (lot) papers on reverse engineering... but none of them about how to do it on a protocol. I'll check samba.org to see if they have something (since it's open source I think they'll have no problem publishing the procedure they've used.. right?)

It would be an intresting piece of software... but I'm not sure how many users will actually use it. It's a big security hole on a firewall and it's a bandwidth eater.... unless you can get squid to work (which I didn't).

Have fun
 
Old 01-07-2003, 03:40 PM   #21
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Readers of this thread should probably read this : http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/19/0013235.shtml
 
Old 01-07-2003, 04:20 PM   #22
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But, ... now I don't get it. Didn't MiK say giFT didn't support fasttrack any more?
 
Old 01-07-2003, 04:29 PM   #23
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Yes .... I forgot about that and upon further inspection it seems that he is in fact correct .... http://gift.sourceforge.net/docs.php....html#tth_sEc5

*sigh* It's times like this I consider changing my screenname....
 
Old 01-07-2003, 04:42 PM   #24
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Okey, now for a very practical question, how can I mail sharman? I don't know his email addres. I looked on google, but coulden't find it. There is no sharman website yet (try "www.sharman.com") and kazaa's site wasn't much help either.
 
Old 01-07-2003, 07:08 PM   #25
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http://www.kazaa.com/us/contact/index.htm
 
Old 01-07-2003, 08:19 PM   #26
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yes... that would have been too easy. you see... from contac in kazaa's site I couldn't actually contact anybody. there is actually no mail address in that page. So... how do you get in touch with them???

Now...
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Yes .... I forgot about that and upon further inspection it seems that he is in fact correct .... http://gift.sourceforge.net/docs.ph...q.html#tth_sEc5

*sigh* It's times like this I consider changing my screenname....
here they say that they stopped using fasttrack because they change the encription... Now... it isn't easy to break or reverse engineer an encription. There are not many coices... We could get in touch with sharman networks and ask them about the protocol, we could get in touch with fasttrack and ask THEM about it... we could develop a full new code (not very likeley)... or we could run our software on a known and safe protocol (such as FTP or even HTTPS).

I think we should try first with asking them for it... but if that doesn't work... well... then just stay away from them and take our own path or help giFT developers...
 
Old 01-07-2003, 08:30 PM   #27
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have anyone entered fasttrack's webpage? because if you do I think that there is much info, since I'm not a programmer I didn't get all of it... but I think a skilled programmer could understand everythin easyly...

anyway... there is a contact address info@fasttrack.net I think we are approaching this thing from the wrong side... We are going to the client when we should go directly to the source.

I'll read the site and then come back again... Still, since my english isn't that good and my programming skills are worse I think I'll need some help to write an email asking for free assistance (since we are open source)
 
Old 01-07-2003, 09:28 PM   #28
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Ciccio,

That site is unrelated....

>>FastTrack shows when and how to trade mutual funds and popular stocks for steady, long-term gains year after year. . .

they're a wall-street type place with some crap to sling .... if we can't get info from kazza or the like, perhaps we should look into trying to create a boycott of sorts ... or make a freakin' cool ass client for windows & linux that kicks kazza's ass using giFT. File-sharing is about the people, not the protocol. I have experiance in win32 programming if anyone is intrested in something like that.
 
Old 01-07-2003, 09:38 PM   #29
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Yes... i see.
But... how can you do that... kazaa is very popular because of the people who uses it... p2p networks aren't built on a day.

I tried www.kazaalite.com but there is no contact link on there... so i think that my original Idea stands. Create a whole new software... perhaps we could use giFT network (with their permission, of course). The thin here is that we should kick kazaa's ass. and that is not easy.
 
Old 01-07-2003, 10:25 PM   #30
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permission? it's [giFT] GPL ain't it? the protocol doesn't really matter, except in the best-case scenerio and FastTrack is let open, it's just a matter of providing a more user-friendly, stable, better marketed prog than Kazza ... dosen't really sound too hard
 
  


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