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I just saved a bundle on my car insurance with Vim.

believe me, 80% of the people that replied in this thread have never coded on java in his life (i belong to that 80%) but what this guy wants is to try the Eclipse IDE. thats the state of the art for java coders

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For the love of everything holy, will someone please take oopic back to to Windows sheep land and leave him there?

Yes, maybe some linux text editors use "generic" names for things like the ALT key. Linux is designed to run on about 100 times more architectures than your beloved Windows is and not all of them use keyboards with an ALT key.

In your 18+ years of using a computer you've never used google? Try searching it for text editors and use some of the features you want as keywords in the search. Please don't come on here like some crazed juvenille whining that you can't find something you like. I got so tired of reading "Is Emacs an editor or an IDE" that I wanted to shove the numerous replies explaining what it is down your throat.

And about the "try designing an editor for a client that looks like Emacs blah blah" argument. Emacs isn't designed to suit one client specifically. If it was it probably wouldn't be so functional. Emacs is designed to be likened to anyone's taste with a bit of configuration. That's obviously not what you want so just leave it alone. Move on to the next one and see how you like it. I must have 20 different editors installed and none of them are exactly the same. Find one you like and use it. If you're concerned about using the same editor at the command line as you do in X, then just find a good command line editor. You know you can use those in X?!

If all else fails, find something that's close to what you want and modify it to how you want. With 18+ years of coding experience you better damn well know how to change "buffer" into "file". Recompile, you're done!

And please, read a majority of the other threads in this forum and follow their politeness. With your attitude I have a hard time believing you're even 18 years old let alone having 18+ years of programming experience. And if you really have, then try to answer some of the true programming questions in this forum.

Well said itsme86 though here's a guy just probably setting up a debate and not necessarily wanting to go back to windoze.

You can see whose views are prevailing when the thread starts with "Geez, are there ANY decent text editors in Linux? and shifts the goal posts to discuss the merits and demerits of IDE and compile and debug environments.

This seems a little unfair to vi and emacs. They were designed before windows (or any other GUI) came into the picture. So how to you get blocking and "cut and paste" in vi? Heres what I did.

Windoze client (W98), telnet to the linux server in a command window with the screen tab set to "window" and not "full screen". Now you can block and paste. Use notepad in one window, block and paste, open vi in another, go to [b]--Insert--[/] mode and <ctrl+v>.

But see what all you can do with emacs and vi that you can't do with any IDE or the commercial bloats. (Used both TC and VC++ in my time).

(1) With Unix based character editors, you can edit any language. Not restricted to c and other language specific editors. (Did TC IDE put or have have an option for a soft CR?).
(2) No colour highlighting of key words (I simply don't like the editor telling me how to debug my code).

By the way, at the root of all Unix project builds (and Linux is one of them) is `make`- a very standardised way of compiling with it's so standardised "dependencies". Only Unix has a near stabnard way of handling commands.

<command> [- flags] [[-] filename(s)]

So I think that theres nore choice in Linux and also more standardisation and effectiveness. Only not THE standard.

As itsme86 says, in Linux, you can build the editore of you choice.!

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well, in part i simphatize with this opinion, since i've been looking last three years for a linux IDE/editor that provides the very useful intellisense feature for C++. The one closer to bring something barely working is last versions of Kdevelop. But still isnt working well for big projects (which is where the benefit of the intellisense pays off)

i mean, you can google for linux ide c++ and see so many projects trying to call people attentions , and its depressing to see that this feature that its been present of MSVC during more than 7 years, it still miss a decent inmplementation on the linux side

and its depressing for a concrete reason: the tools and the expertise to do it seem to be there, but its in a "decoherent" state. For example there is the g++ C++ parser, which from the very beginning it could been designed as a modular separate project, allowing other projects to use it too, which would have made the complex c++ parsing technology available to IDE projects that could have benefited the whole community with c++ analysis tools (as the intellisense feature). Instead of that g++ developers decided to do the highest interwined parser code they could possibly do with the rest of the compiler code.

So yes, its easy to dismiss when one criticizes superavailability of substandard quality projects in linux (well its free after all, so we shouldnt be critizing anything, .. right?) but its important to see that this also happens because of the lack of vision on some, let say, key projects on the so called open source community


cheers

vim for president!!!!!

Wow
 

I guess I could be considered stupid for wasting so much of my time on somebody elses wasting of everybody's time ranting on a text editor/IDE. But what really got me is the quoted message which seems to be equally (if not more) applicable to the author itself.

I have flirted with cobol, MS VB and java but i still remain a simple c/c++ guy (as opposed to quoted author), and while i got spoiled by ide-s that generate the shell of my apps i can still live with ANY text editor. My least waste of time goes into manipulating text/files.

I guess if it is all the tools you are blamming, maybe you should evaluate skills of the user.

And last but not least :
Human species IS the most adaptible specie in the world, that is why we can progress as a society.

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Hi, I haven't posted here in a couple months.

Why is anyone taking this troll seriously? Look at his posting history; complete arsefez.

Cheers.

p.s. Jove is a "clone" of emacs. Besides that, and likely many others, for all I know (I just happened to remember seeing mention of "Jove" during the Slackware install process), consider how many programs (shells, cli browsers, anything requiring regular keyboardage) support emacs-style shortcuts.

Not to mention vi[m], which is of course better. I'm joking; I just happened to start w/vi[m] and have grown far too attached to it.

Again: arsefez!

Well this is dead now, but nano is great! http://www.nano-editor.org/

Re: Geez, are there ANY decent text editors in Linux?
 

I almost thought he was trolling for a flameware, but then he types...

Quote:

Im trying to write JAVA code using emacs.... the dang editor keeps indenting my code! Man I hate it when a text editor ASSUMES that I want my code messed around with! Is there anyway to turn this "Auto Indent" nonsense off?

Not sure about the auto indent.

I know others have already mentioned JOE, but there's also Pico, Nano (I think), kate, and gedit.

There was a poll, a while back here at LQ about favorite text editor. Bear in mind, a majority of LQers are in the camp of vi (a holdover from their old mainframe days, no doubt.)

I think this thread is what my baby sister would call "Crazy Talk".

Kate is the best editor. (Graphical editor that is... joe is the best text editor (only because I don't know how to use any more "sophisticated" text editor. :p))