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Old 11-29-2002, 03:15 AM   #1
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Bah! programming!


I tried, i really tried.... i read the same book twice, and another book half way, but i just can't learn enough C to even understand what's happening whne i look at sources of some simple programs (gkrellm, wmweather) and of course, the best i can do is a simple calculator in C.
I'm thinking about giving up, on C

I'm obviously a anti-talent for programming, but still i would like to learn a general purpose language to help me in everyday tasks, writing simple short programs, and C just isn't going good.

I'm thinking to start on Perl, and to learn some more Bash Scripting, and when i'm able to do something useful, go back to learning C again..

Any comments, flames? Just any opinions plz so i can see on what i'm standing here.
Thank you!
-NSKL

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Old 11-29-2002, 06:47 AM   #2
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Programming can not be learned by reading books. What you need is practice, practice and more practice. Look for a small project you can do and start.
Don't give up.
Code reading is not trivial, but you will get used to.
And for your examples: gkrellm, wmweather ... are not isolated programs, they make more or less heavy use of librarys. If you realy want to understand what they do (and how), you will have to learn what the used librarys provide.
 
Old 11-29-2002, 09:12 AM   #3
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Systems are not built by individuals, but through middleware you can construct client and server side solutions that meet your domain requirements.
 
Old 11-29-2002, 02:23 PM   #4
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I tend to believe that understanding other peoples code is
less dependent on your own language skills but rather on
the quality of their inline documentation ;) and the clarity of
their style, the way they name things and structure them.

And poorly documented Perl isn't going to help you :}

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-29-2002, 03:01 PM   #5
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You really just need to find something you want to do, decide which is
the best language with which to do it (the hard part, IMHO), and then
do it in isolation from other people's code (for the most part). If you try
to program something you aren't interested in, you'll just get frustrated
and won't learn anything about the language you are using. Trying to
read someone else's code is difficult even for someone who has been
coding for years, there are many ways of doing things, and unless there
are a lot more comments (well written comments) than lines of code, you
won't know why they did something one way, and not another.
A good book is one that has good, well written code examples with
well written comments. A bad book is one that talks a lot about the
theory of programming without any examples of actual programming,
those books are for when you already know what you are doing and
want to get better.
Don't give up on C, decide what YOU want to write, find a good web
tutorial on something similar (if it has a lot of file I/O, find a tutorial
on C file I/O, etc.). Start your code by commenting it. Make sure you
know what you want to do before you start to do it. If you can't
write the comments before you start, you *probably* don't have a good
idea of what you are trying to accomplish. Don't bother trying to read
code that isn't (well) commented, you'll just get frustrated.
 
Old 12-01-2002, 06:25 AM   #6
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You're right in that i don't know what i want to do, im just writing useless calculators and nonsense such as that..
I will try again, cuz i hate giving up and with your suggestions i hope i'll get somewhere.
Thanks for the moral support, i needed some
Thanks again

-NSKL
 
Old 12-02-2002, 02:43 AM   #7
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i guess itīs a good idea to start with perl cause perl has a couple features that make life much more comfortable than programming c.
i.e. the CPAN.org a source of (often)well documented modules for perl programming
give it a try
 
  


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