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Old 11-23-2005, 01:26 PM   #1
manis
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Darwin or Not?


Hello guys.
Need your expert opinion on something.
I am considering installing Darwin on my PC. I currently run Suse 10.0 with KDE.
1. How does Darwin compare to Suse?
2. Can I have both Suse and Darwin on dual boot? Don't know why I would want this, but just a question.
3. I read sometime before that Darwin does not support wireless. Is is okay now? I have an Ibook, a thinkpad and a PC on the network. Do you see any conflicts?
4. I run Firefox. Which version of FF would be installed on Darwin? The Mac or the Linux version?

I basically use my PC for email and internet browsing a bit of internet banking as well. Would Darwin be reliable and safe enough for that? I would need GUI and definitely Office products like Openoffice. Is there a KDE for Darwin?

I know these are too many questions. But, I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks.
 
Old 11-23-2005, 03:21 PM   #2
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are you sure Darwin doesn't just run on ppc architecture?
 
Old 11-23-2005, 04:37 PM   #3
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For x86

I believe Darwin or openDarwin (don't know which) is available for x86 platforms too.
 
Old 11-25-2005, 09:37 PM   #4
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Darwin is Mac OS X kernel. It cann't run some Mac software because it needs other Mac OS X layers; an application need one or more of this layers.

"The OpenDarwin Project is an offshoot from Apple's Darwin initiative. It was created as an independent environment, free of ties to Apple proper, which would allow innovation by the community to take place in a more effective manner."
from the faq

OpenDarwin is available for both PPC and x86. It's not recomended for general use, it's more for developers. however:

"In the long-term, we'd love to see OpenDarwin up to par with the rest of the BSD family, so that a person of sound mind would be perfectly able to choose it as a web server or desktop machine. We believe that the technology it's based on is very sound, and is constantly undergoing improvements and developments at the hands of Apple.

There's also the probability that useful enhancements to OpenDarwin will be picked up by Apple and taken upstream into their Darwin distrubution, making their way into an official release of Mac OS X."
also from the faq
 
Old 12-15-2005, 10:59 AM   #5
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Tried Darwinx86 on 4 PCs and 3 wouldn't install because the mouse and keyboard dropped dead. The 4th one managed installed into a hard disk but panic for not having the necessary driver.

The 4 machines are a socket A Asus mobo with a Athlon 2800, a Socket 754 MSI mobo with AMD64 3000, An Asus mobo socket 939 with AMD64 3200 and anther AMD64 3200 on a Asrock mobo. The last one managed the install.

I think Darwin x86 team is wasting their time if idea is to make people to buy Apple's hardware. If the idea is to use the PC hardware then they have a long road to walk to catch with even Solaris and the BSD systems, never mind the Linux and WIndows at the front.
 
Old 12-23-2005, 09:30 AM   #6
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1. Darwin is only the basic system. Applications, including X, have to be compiled from source, which, besides taking time, often requires some porting work.

2. I would try to use Lilo for dual booting. Darwin doesn't offer any flexible boot manager.

3. I wouldn't be too hopeful with wireless adapter support in the near future.

4. Firefox, too, has to be compiled from source, I'm afraid.

The base is solid and safe, as any BSD, I guess. Any unix software, including KDE and OpenOffice, can be ported, but it will take time and effort.

Saikee, remember that Apple's hardware will be PC hardware quite soon...
 
Old 01-01-2006, 01:15 AM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by risu
1. Darwin is only the basic system. Applications, including X, have to be compiled from source, which, besides taking time, often requires some porting work.

2. I would try to use Lilo for dual booting. Darwin doesn't offer any flexible boot manager.

3. I wouldn't be too hopeful with wireless adapter support in the near future.

4. Firefox, too, has to be compiled from source, I'm afraid.

The base is solid and safe, as any BSD, I guess. Any unix software, including KDE and OpenOffice, can be ported, but it will take time and effort.

Saikee, remember that Apple's hardware will be PC hardware quite soon...

You can get all kinds of packages for darwin via darwin ports and fink.Fink uses apt-get and darwin ports uses "port".I havent tried it yet but you might want to check out gnu darwin or opendarwin.
 
Old 01-01-2006, 09:16 PM   #8
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U can use the developer DVD to install the mac os X 10.4.3
Its MAC os X with the GUI support.
U have firefox for mac, u can install it on intel too.


Quote:
Originally Posted by manis
Hello guys.
Need your expert opinion on something.
I am considering installing Darwin on my PC. I currently run Suse 10.0 with KDE.
1. How does Darwin compare to Suse?
2. Can I have both Suse and Darwin on dual boot? Don't know why I would want this, but just a question.
3. I read sometime before that Darwin does not support wireless. Is is okay now? I have an Ibook, a thinkpad and a PC on the network. Do you see any conflicts?
4. I run Firefox. Which version of FF would be installed on Darwin? The Mac or the Linux version?

I basically use my PC for email and internet browsing a bit of internet banking as well. Would Darwin be reliable and safe enough for that? I would need GUI and definitely Office products like Openoffice. Is there a KDE for Darwin?

I know these are too many questions. But, I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks.
 
Old 01-02-2006, 06:43 AM   #9
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If I may say so Darwin x86 is a waste of time if a user is expecting to it in a state as ready as a Linux, a BSD or a Solaris.
 
Old 05-19-2006, 04:55 PM   #10
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As I just was answering a similar question, I'll repeat what I said.

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Being someone who desperately wanted the same thing, I've realized that getting a fully functional version of OS X on a PC is almost impossibly hard for the average user.

Your best bet is to get a copy of Darwin (the open-source core for OS X) and work on getting a GUI to match.

The reccommended path if you have the money is to go out, buy a Mac Mini with an Intel core, and install Boot Camp.

Good luck my friend, because from experience, I can tell you you'll need it.
And, no, I'm not just re-posting for the hell of it.
 
  


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