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Old 08-02-2006, 12:32 AM   #46
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Old 08-02-2006, 12:39 AM   #47
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To the first post: if one doesn't like Mepis (well I don't neither, not much at least), one does not need to use it. Hell, I don't like Microsoft too much either, but I'm not (at least any more..thanks, doc) screaming about it, I just prefer not to use it that much. And I don't like XBOX, so I don't use it. Easy, huh?

Anyway, to the post of acidburned: there's no such thing as "rpm hell". It's called "dependency hell" and it happens on every single system that doesn't have a good package manager to solve out the dependencies, and even on those systems as well if the reposities are bad. Some debian-based distributions that have not-so-good reposities do have some problems with dependencies..and for rpms there are many package managers, Yum being used by Fedora. It works all right, maybe Yum isn't as quick as Apt (to me), but it works all right and does find all the deps I need; all I had to do is add some reposities. But that's what I needed to do with all the distributions that used reposity-based package managers.

.rpm is like a .deb, in the sense that they both include binaries (or sources, if you like so) and both of them may need some other packages (dependencies) before they install; the big thing is the package manager, not the format of the packages. An rpm or deb package is just a bunch of files rolled into a file, covered with some settings and configurations that tell the package manager how to work and what other packages to get.

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Old 08-02-2006, 12:57 AM   #48
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it seems more reasonable for a novice-friendly distro to have polite people, because novices probably don't spend enough time with their computers to become socially inept.
Now there is the truth! Guess I should strive to spend as much time as a novice as possible. It's more fun anyway!
 
Old 08-09-2006, 08:14 PM   #49
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There are probably real differences between the distros, but it's hard to find out, as a newbie, what they may be. By "real differences," I definitely do NOT mean appearance! I could care less what the desktop screen looks like... If the wp package lets me use big letters (old eyes here, and not all that good when they were young ), and the browsing is safe, I'm happy!!!

What I really want, though, is a reference manual. Doesn't have to be for 'dummmies,' or easy to read. And I know about man (dimly remember, anyway, from my reading a couple months ago when I was first going to install Linux), but I'd love to be able to read through a complete manual, first page to last. Just read through, every night as I'm getting ready to sleep, maybe for a few weeks. It's too hard to remember stuff I saw once on a screen, when I'm not using it regularly.

Without comparing reference manuals, or lists of features (not appearances, software-related features!), or an explanation of alternate implementations of basic routines, or different philosophies, it's difficult or pointless to argue about which is better. Eh? Imo, anyway.
 
Old 08-09-2006, 09:31 PM   #50
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Try this:

Mepis User Guide

It may not be completely up to date, but it does cover the basics, and should get you going in the correct direction. Another possibility is to look up "Point and Click Linux". It has a legacy version of Mepis bundled with it, but it would get you up and running. Mepis made a believer out of me, and I very rarely even have to boot into the "mainstream" OS from Washington. Mepis will make a power user out of you and once you cross that line, there is no "good enough" anymore!
 
Old 08-10-2006, 01:13 AM   #51
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I've read that User Guide, but it doesn't get to command-line level. A few weeks ago I read through a simple Linux tutorial, too, but I want it all. When I read posts on this board, there are dozens of commands, switches, procs, etc. I haven't heard of, and I want to be able to learn about all those. But I don't want to buy some lame printed book -- out of date before it ever got into print. I'll just have to read the man pages, once my CD arrives.

Anyway, I used to be a power user for real -- which is why Wndz was never good enough (too much hidden or inaccessible, even using attrib under DOS), and Macs never came with enough tools. I can't wait to get my hands on a real Linux system and learn all about it.
 
Old 08-10-2006, 08:24 AM   #52
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Try RUTE, this is really all there is, it is written in plain english, but it is hardcore. Don't let it scare you, you really don't need to memorize all this before jumping in.
 
Old 08-10-2006, 05:43 PM   #53
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Tip; RUTE can be installed to local machine via apt or synaptic, great reading. Search synaptic for "rutebook".

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Old 08-10-2006, 10:02 PM   #54
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Excellent! Thank you!
 
Old 08-13-2006, 01:59 PM   #55
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this ole man likes MEPIS, Debian and Suse....use all three, and XP. I guess I am somewhat of a disto slut, but the fun (and the frustration) is trying to get into the things that need to be changed to fit ones use (or mis-use). The learning curve isnt very steep, at least not for me. Point is, that if you dont understand it, that is no reason to knock it. The fault usually is found in oneself, not that it's all perfect, but no one ever really promised perfect!
 
Old 08-26-2006, 07:16 PM   #56
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a gentle rant

well I have used mepis 3 point something and it is ok but my 2 cents worth is about the newbie discussion.

I have since moved to RIP live cd to run my fav program.....partimage.

One of the reasons I was forced to move off Ms was it was tooo user friendly and let anyone install software, delete system files etc.....so could a virus etc.

Linux has so many flavours it may be beyond the comprehension of a Ms person.....eg distrowatch has about 50 live cds and other sites have others.....so newbies do not need to know how to run commands just burn a cd and boot it to try out a distro.

Security (my limited knowledge on it) means inconvenience. If you do not want to be responsible in transmitting MS virus files etc you need to take more care.

And as I was a bit slow, heh heh I eventually realised moving to Linux was quicker and MORE convenient than all the crap I was doing to protect myself in the MS world.

I am aware I can harden my distro more. And there is OpenBSD.

But time constraints mean that I,like everyone else make choices on what we currently know and want out of a operating system.

good luck with your decisions.
 
Old 08-26-2006, 09:03 PM   #57
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Old 09-16-2006, 08:39 PM   #58
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Hello Everyone,
If it wasn't for Mepis 3.4-3 It is unlikely that I would be a regular Linux user and would still be in a Windows only world.

Because up until trying Mepis 3.4-3 other Linux Distro's either wouldn't find my Modem or my Printer or some other Hardware problem.

I actually sent away to a Linux Distributer and picked 7 different distro's at random to try. Mepis was one of the cheap ones.

When I ran the CD live and it detected my Winmodem (LT Modem) and connected first go I was Hooked.

Also in Synaptic there's a link to Debians Etch Packages giving me over 17000 Packages to choose from.

I know it not the best looking Distro, but with a little customizing you can make it look pretty good.

On the downside I don't like Mepis 6.0 as my Modem no longer works, It takes forever to load the Printer Drivers in KDE.
Open Office takes alot longer to open and some apps crash.
I done know if the change to Ubuntu under the hood has upset it or what, but to me it's a step backwards.
I thought I'd try a older version of Mepis built around June 2004 and it works with no problems at all. All my hardware works and I have a working Dial-up internet connection.

So what has happened to Mepis 6.0??

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Old 09-21-2006, 07:29 PM   #59
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Well, l read through all of the posts here and some were quit interesting. I came over to linux about 2 1/2 years ago. A friend peaked my interest with Unix but l wasn't really interested in going backwards to a DOS like enviroment but l inadvertantly stumbled upon linux while investigating Unix. The freedom of choice and a chance to break away from mainstream windose intrigued me and the opportunity to walk the road less travelled got my adrenaline going. I started out with Xandros but found l was buying into a clone of corporate MS so on l went until l came upon Mepis and Warren Woodford.

I have learned a lot since crossing over to linux and am very happy on this side of the fence. But linux as it was and as it is today will only appeal to people with a desire to learn and take themselves forward. I've learned that most people have lazy minds and don't want to use the energy it takes to think and those people will always stay with windose. I think a logo l saw on a father's t-shirt sums up the mindset of most "Why read books when we can watch TV". Why use linux when you can go to the computer store and buy a computer with windose installed and just go home and plug it in, turn it on and start surfing.

That wouldn't give us linux users a lot of satisfaction and we wouldn't be and weren't real happy over there anyway so here we are. Since leaving windose l never once went to a windose forum and tried to tell them what l thought of windose and l don't really know why l would but l can't help but believe that windose users that come onto our forums and take a poke at us are maybe a little envious of our freedom and our knowledge of our systems. We can even talk to our developers, or be developers and become involved with the whole process as much as our skills allow us to. We can choose from a 100 different distros and thousands of packages ... we even have a choice to donate or not donate money to our favourite projects. If we gain enough knowledge we can do the same as Warren or Tex or Kano and create our own masterpieces.

The sky is the limit in linux and even for the mentally lazy they are starting to bring out computers loaded with linux.

It is really wonderful to be able to call myself a linuxer and part of such a great a resourceful community where we aren't just some huge corporations meal ticket.

Wayne Whalen
 
Old 09-21-2006, 07:57 PM   #60
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No rpm hell on rpm based systems if you use a package manager such as apt, yum, urpmi or smart. Debian suffers dependency problems if you try to install individual *.debs using dpkg so dependency hell is not limited to rpm based distros.
Actually in Ubuntu I just double-click on a .deb package and it asks for the password, after that it downloads the dependencies and installs them. Easy as Windows (excuse me for saying that. It was just to make a point
 
  


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