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Old 12-28-2009, 02:25 PM   #1
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Venting about hating Mandriva Free 2010 XFCE -- nothing but problems!


OK, I need to vent about this disto...I am not very happy with it at all...

I figured I would try something new. something other than KDE for a change...what a friggin' mistake that had been!!!

First, there is next to nothing installed to help you in a daily use environment; no Open Office, no other browser other than FireFox installed, I do not even know WTF the file manager is here, if not Konqueror, etc...and, because it is 2010 XFCE Free, I cannot even get a different desktop environment to work correctly for some reason, and I do not think that you can "upgrade" from Free to One, so I am kinda screwed and will be wiping my pc again!

I am really getting ticked off with this stupid distro...I have tried to delete an NTFS partition through the MCC and recreate it as a ext3 storage volume...no dice, MCC would not delete the partition, and I could not do it through the LXTerminal as SU either...nor would it mount the NTFS partition, the DVD or CD-ROM, or any other devices (flash memory, portable hard drives, etc) that I have!

I am really sick of this distro, and do not recommend the Free version of it at all, as Mandriva One does not cost anything either, has a broader range of support for darn near everything, and multiple desktop environments that work, rather than only the one through the XFCE Free version....

I need to get this stupid distro off my pc, and then I am going back to my Mandriva One KDE environment...this is definitely a poor distro to use if you want to study for your L+ cert...

/endl
 
Old 12-28-2009, 03:36 PM   #2
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nothing installed to help you in a daily use environment
Update the repos, and install what you want. Everything you mentioned there is in the repos. Go to this link,

-->http://mandrivausers.org/easyurpmi/ and add Official and PLF medias. Then add all the apps you want.

I can not comment on removing a NTFS partition with MCC. That is something I do, long before I install.

The file manager for XFCE is Thunar. It has always installed for me. I'm running 64 bit Free version, I just installed Xfce without any problems. Make sure task-xfce is installed. That should install all the good stuff for xfce.

Mandy is a very stable distro, boots faster than most.
 
Old 12-29-2009, 12:04 AM   #3
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I do not see any of the problems you describe here. I have XFCE, LXDE, and KDE installed, and they all work as expected. Of course, if you want access to the full range of software packaged for use with Mandriva Linux, you will have to set up the Internet software media sources. After you do that, you will see how limited your options are when using Mandriva One as installed from the disk. If you prefer to install using Mandriva One, you can do that. After installation, you can set up the Internet software media sources (if you choose to do so). The thing you do not seem to understand is that Mandriva Free and Mandriva One are the same distribution, but with very slight differences. Mandriva Free includes no proprietary software by default, while Mandriva One does (primarily device drivers). After setting up the Internet software media sources for use with your Mandriva Package Manager, you will have access to the proprietary software as well (it resides in the non-free branch of the Mandriva mirror of your choice), even if you start with Mandriva Free.

HTH,
 
Old 12-29-2009, 02:41 AM   #4
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I do not see any of the problems you describe here. I have XFCE, LXDE, and KDE installed, and they all work as expected. Of course, if you want access to the full range of software packaged for use with Mandriva Linux, you will have to set up the Internet software media sources. After you do that, you will see how limited your options are when using Mandriva One as installed from the disk. If you prefer to install using Mandriva One, you can do that. After installation, you can set up the Internet software media sources (if you choose to do so). The thing you do not seem to understand is that Mandriva Free and Mandriva One are the same distribution, but with very slight differences. Mandriva Free includes no proprietary software by default, while Mandriva One does (primarily device drivers). After setting up the Internet software media sources for use with your Mandriva Package Manager, you will have access to the proprietary software as well (it resides in the non-free branch of the Mandriva mirror of your choice), even if you start with Mandriva Free.

HTH,

I am sorry to all about venting like that, I am just really frustrated...I had written XFCE in frustration, but it was actually LXDE that I was having a problem with...

The environment in and of itself is something that I was not fond of, having been a big KDE fan. I have downloaded One (both KDE and Gnome), and both seem to be having a slight problem with the older Dell desktop computer that I am trying to use the different desktops on...

KDE does not even get to session manager, Gnome is really slow and barely responds, but it does get to the desktop at least...

I wonder if it would just be better to go with LFS for this computer, or should I stick to Mandriva? Honestly, I really like Mandriva, and don't really have too many problems with it at all...it supports my laptop's hardware, so that is great, but for some reason (proprietary hardware/device drivers for on-board everything?) it has a problem with the desktop...I don't know...

Sorry I had vented like that, I am now just really tired after dealing with this machine for the last two weeks...

Goodnight all...
 
Old 12-29-2009, 08:49 AM   #5
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Could you post the hardware specs of this system? It isn't clear to me why you are having problems with KDE, or Gnome being 'slow'.

I know it's a Dell, model? CPU, ram etc.
 
Old 12-29-2009, 03:08 PM   #6
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Could you post the hardware specs of this system? It isn't clear to me why you are having problems with KDE, or Gnome being 'slow'.

I know it's a Dell, model? CPU, ram etc.
I am not home right now, and am just on my BlackBerry, but off the top of my head the specs are as follows: dell dimension, 40 gb hdd, p3 @ 1.5 ghz, 256 mbs ram, and on board all most everything...
 
Old 12-29-2009, 09:53 PM   #7
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If you only got LXDE after install, I guess you used the minimal install CD. That is meant to be a base install for you to build on, so you can choose every piece of software yourself, so naturally it doesn't include much.
 
Old 12-29-2009, 10:15 PM   #8
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lxde uses pcmanfm as its file-manager (at least in Debian it does, so I'm guessing the same is true for Mandriva). pcmanfm is very good. This site from the lxde wiki might be helpful. The site specifies that the package "task-lxde" should be installed, which likely would make the desktop user-friendly (this echoes what camorri said when she/he thought you were referring to xfce, by suggesting "task-xfce")
 
Old 12-30-2009, 06:11 AM   #9
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This is a package on Mandriva that is used to get all the correct packages installed. there is another, called xfce-ninimal. If that was used, you may well be missing a lot of useful packages. You can find out by going into MCC, Install Remove software, and search with both items a search argument. It will list what is installed, or not installed.

You listed above you have 256 Mbs of ram. It will run on that but will not give the best performance. More ram would help, if that is a possibility.

I have an older laptop, P3 750 Mhz. and 256 Mbs. I run PCLinuxOS on it. It is no screamer, but it is use-able, and I run KDE 3.5. PCLinuxOS is a Mandy spin off, has MCC, but uses Synaptic as the package manager. You may want to have a look at that.
 
Old 12-31-2009, 01:03 AM   #10
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Can people here not read?

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I am sorry to all about venting like that, I am just really frustrated...I had written XFCE in frustration, but it was actually LXDE that I was having a problem with...
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task-xfce
This is a package on Mandriva that is used to get all the correct packages installed. there is another, called xfce-ninimal.
It's stuff like this that sometimes makes me shake my head in amazement. Anyway, to most (I would hope), it would be clearly obvious that the correct package to install would be task-lxde, and not task-xfce. Again, that's task-lxde.

"xfce" was a mistake written in frustration. The actual desktop that the questioner is having an issue with is lxde; hence, the correct package to possibly alleviate these issues would be task-lxde.

Last edited by mark_alfred; 12-31-2009 at 01:14 AM.
 
Old 03-17-2010, 11:28 AM   #11
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Ok, so I have been using this distro for months now, and had finally had enough. I borrowed a Seagate external hard drive from a friend, and was going to get all my files off of this desktop computer. Unfortunately, I keep getting the HAL Daemon no matter if I plug in my old external hard drive, my friend's external, and thumb drives, etc....I could not even take the free space that I had originally created as a storage partition to save things because I always got the same HAL Daemon error message!

I figured I would try something different last night...

I tried booting a few live CDs, like PC LOS, and those read the external hard drives and everything fine, but as soon as I tried to access the partitions on the hard drive, no live cd/distro would actually access them!

I was really frustrated, and couldn't figure out why...until I ran the live distro for PC LOS...I figured out what my problem with Mandriva LXDE had been this whole time, something that I had not realized: I guess when I did the install, I had used the ext4 file system instead of the ext3...I think this had been the reason why I could not access NTFS partitions or regular FAT partitions on my portable devices!

Now, I could really use some help...

If anyone knows a way for me to make ext4 "see" and work with NTFS partitions, thumb drives, etc., could you please give me a heads up? Am I just not configuring something correctly? I have looked all through my configurations, and have found that the haldaemon is on at startup by default...

Any suggestions on what I could do? I remember back in the old days of windows 2000, we used to be able to convert fat32 to ntfs by way of using the dos prompt...is there a way to change the type of file system I am using without losing all my data?

Sorry if these questions seem a bit inane, I still have only been using Linux for a year, and still am trying to figure out all the ins and outs of it....

Thanks everyone for any and all feedback that you can provide...


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Old 03-17-2010, 11:49 AM   #12
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My first reaction is: After your acknowledged rant back in December, why did you continue with that setup for three more months? Many Linux newcomers would have tried several different distros in that period. (Wierdos like me would have tried 10...)

Accessing NTFS partitions is not a function of the filesystem you are running---all that matters is if you have the NTFS driver installed.

Here's the result of searching on my system (try the same command on yours)
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[root@mystical Application Data]# find /lib/modules -name "ntfs*"
/lib/modules/2.6.32-ARCH/kernel/fs/ntfs
/lib/modules/2.6.32-ARCH/kernel/fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko
 
Old 03-19-2010, 12:04 AM   #13
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awesome pixellany, these were my results...

[root@localhost hmntr]# find /lib/modules -name "ntfs*"
/lib/modules/2.6.31.2-desktop586-0.rc1.1mnb/kernel/fs/ntfs
/lib/modules/2.6.31.2-desktop586-0.rc1.1mnb/kernel/fs/ntfs/ntfs.ko.gz
[root@localhost hmntr]#


Ok, so...now what? lol

As for trying different distros, I figured it was just this silly one that I was having a hard time, and I refused to quit or give up. I wanted to know everything about it that I could in the time frame I alloted to myself (one year)...

I have Mandriva One Spring 2009 installed on my laptop, and that works like a charm, complete with the newest nvidia and atheros drivers...no problems, and no reason to switch to M$ fail, unless I have genealogy or something like that to do. Otherwise, I generally use the Mandriva...I have another desktop that is using Slax (that one still has a year to go as well), and one of my oldest pcs using RH7 (I think)...

I am studying these various distros, finding the similarities and differences between them, and will invariably be installed Ubuntu, Open Suse, and a few other distros on my new laptop so that I can study for the LPI and L+ certs....

That is the reason why I have not dropped the ball on this distro (which come to find out wasn't really the distro, but the file system that I have been having problems with)...

Thanks again for any and all responses...


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