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Old 03-23-2004, 12:05 PM   #16
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have anybody try to do???


boot: rescue


and then "clean MBR"
 
Old 03-23-2004, 03:14 PM   #17
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Originally posted by vi0lat0r
Ryeman - I am loving your sig
Thanks...
 
Old 03-26-2004, 03:05 PM   #18
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To those of you who don't understand what all the complaining is about:

I have worked with computers for quite a few years. PC and Mac os. I have just installed Mandrake 10.0 on 10gb of free space on my windows xp machine. Both Lilo and Grub will not boot to XP. And its a big pain the the butt to uninstall mandrake to get back to XP. Which by the way is about 1000 times better than linux (in my opinion). If linux is so great, why are there so many posts with people who have problems, yet so few answers from you self proclaimed experts. I like linux, but you people that claim that it is so much better than xp should take into consideration that most of these linux distributions are free for a very good reason.

Just my 2 cents
 
Old 03-26-2004, 04:21 PM   #19
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what you're complaining about is usuability for the final user who doesn't want to read and most people posting all the time don't read but sometimes there are bugs and patches like in every OS. It is like where is the button to accept the playlist, etc... such info can be found in the official site of the software. Don't forget also that it is not evident to switch from windows to Linux or from Linux to windows, there will be always a how and why and a but .

If you don't like it or don't find it usuable or are not willing to read about it, don't use it. You said you like xp and you use or have used mac. I've used a mac once don't find it usable so i don't use it and probably never will.

Your last post seems more than a personal disapointment. If i had never used windows, i think i would find it too complicated and i would have to read a little about it. who to install programs, how to burn cd, oops it isn't installed by default like on my distro?

Most people using only linux would think that windows would trash their hd.

goodbye, don't forget about peace, peace.

don't take it personal too

PS: For your 2 cents, i think you cand add few hundred bills and even more :-) if you have a legitime XP OS, a legitime Office XP, and paid for all serial keys you might have for all your software...

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Old 03-26-2004, 06:18 PM   #20
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UOTE]Originally posted by mainjc
To those of you who don't understand what all the complaining is about:

I have worked with computers for quite a few years. PC and Mac os. I have just installed Mandrake 10.0 on 10gb of free space on my windows xp machine. Both Lilo and Grub will not boot to XP. And its a big pain the the butt to uninstall mandrake to get back to XP. Which by the way is about 1000 times better than linux (in my opinion). If linux is so great, why are there so many posts with people who have problems, yet so few answers from you self proclaimed experts. I like linux, but you people that claim that it is so much better than xp should take into consideration that most of these linux distributions are free for a very good reason.

Just my 2 cents
[/QUOTE]

First of all, I take it that you can boot to Mandrake, but not windows XP.. If that is the case, then go to your /etc/lilo.conf and edit it (as root) to include the following:

other=/dev/hda1
optional
label=dos

Then close your editor and enter the following command:

root # lilo

This checks to make sure that you edited lilo properly and warns you if not.

After everything checks out okay, your next reboot option should include a "dos" which should let you boot XP

Now for the rest:
I'm not going to argue with you because that's is just a waste of time. I would like to make a couple of points though. You state that you've been working with PC's and Mac OS for quite a few years, and now you are bashing Linux because it's hard for you (and other 's) to figure out? I'm guessing that you don't like change..?

Did you know that your infamous Mac is now Unix based... (the same as Linux..) humm I guess Mac understands change is good

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If linux is so great, why are there so many posts with people who have problems, yet so few answers from you self proclaimed experts.
I for one do not proclaim to be an "expert" and that is why I use a message board. If I see a question that sounds like I might be able to help, that researching I do helps me learn.

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I like linux, but you people that claim that it is so much better than xp should take into consideration that most of these linux distributions are free for a very good reason.


Yes, it was designed to be free for a reason. It is a mutual "community" - if you will. Many programmers can collaborate together to design software for the end user without the restrictions of proprietary software (aka Microsoft) Many of the software ends up being used for Microsoft (funny isn't it) A few examples: peer-to-peer programs; conversion programs, etc.. just look at downloads dot com, a bunch of "shareware" programs were written by similar programmers.

I'm sorry that you feel so negative about Linux, but once the major hardware/software companies realize that the future is Open source, then Linux will become easier for the average newbie to use..
 
Old 03-27-2004, 07:02 PM   #21
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Smile

Just wanted to apologize for my last post. It was written while I was very upset. Linux is a great, just very different than what I'm am used to. I give all of you guys props for knowing how to use it to its full potential. Ryeman, I really appreciate your trying to help me solve my problem even after I was so rude. FYI- I ended up wiping the drive (previously backed up) and putting in a second HD for Mandrak. I now have a hardware boot selector and can boot into either OS at a touch of a button. And for the record, I really like Mandrake. I just don't know what to learn first.

Thanks again for the help, this is a great resource for me.
 
Old 03-29-2004, 12:06 PM   #22
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Originally posted by mainjc
Just wanted to apologize for my last post. It was written while I was very upset. Linux is a great, just very different than what I'm am used to. I give all of you guys props for knowing how to use it to its full potential. Ryeman, I really appreciate your trying to help me solve my problem even after I was so rude. FYI- I ended up wiping the drive (previously backed up) and putting in a second HD for Mandrak. I now have a hardware boot selector and can boot into either OS at a touch of a button. And for the record, I really like Mandrake. I just don't know what to learn first.

Thanks again for the help, this is a great resource for me.
I'm glad you are giving us another chance

Just remember that Linux is very powerful and may lead to frustration from time to time. I've had my ups-and-downs... but just take it as your learning something new..
 
Old 03-29-2004, 07:18 PM   #23
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Originally posted by mainjc
Just wanted to apologize for my last post. It was written while I was very upset. Linux is a great, just very different than what I'm am used to. I give all of you guys props for knowing how to use it to its full potential. Ryeman, I really appreciate your trying to help me solve my problem even after I was so rude. FYI- I ended up wiping the drive (previously backed up) and putting in a second HD for Mandrak. I now have a hardware boot selector and can boot into either OS at a touch of a button. And for the record, I really like Mandrake. I just don't know what to learn first.

Thanks again for the help, this is a great resource for me.
Know thats the kind of spirit that one should have

Doing a dual boot of seperate drives is always a good move, you will soon be where the rest of us are, not wanting to run windoze at all

Yep Linux has it's growing/learning pains, so do all other systems. Were you a windows expert before you ever switched on or tried to work on a pc, I doubt it, you learned how to use windows, the same is true of Linux.

As for help a advice you will find more than enough folks who will help, you must just be willing to try and do some problem solving on your own as well.

I have been using windows since 3.1 all the way up to Xp, I have over the years tried Redhat since version 6.0 all the way to 9.0, I then found Mandrake 9.1 and have been using that since October 2003.

The learning curve has been steep, but well worth the effort, and yes I still run a dual boot machine, but not for much longer

The folks on this site and a few of the others are very helpful and polite as well !!!
_______________

Remember that google is your friend, specialy google 4 Linux

Last edited by catman_za; 03-29-2004 at 07:20 PM.
 
Old 03-29-2004, 09:54 PM   #24
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I can find solutions/workarounds for problems in Windows much eaiser than for Linux. I find that most every time I have a problem in Windows a solution/workaround is available from the MS KB or the MS newsgroups.

I also find that in the MS newsgroups if I ask a question, I usually get a solid solution or "I don't know"... but with Linux, I frequently get alot of answers that somewhat might work, but I find out later it is not the best way of going about fixing it (like editing a script that shouldn't be edited for example), Or I get answers that are just plain wrong from people that have an overpowering urge to be helpful when they have no clue.

But the whole problem with Windows is the underlying security problems that can't be fixed that most users don't care about. They care more about if their scroll bar is drawn on the screen properly.

Last edited by Dr. Ephemeron; 03-29-2004 at 10:01 PM.
 
Old 03-30-2004, 03:10 PM   #25
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That all depends on how you asked the question and where you looked for the answers. If you asked the question in the correct way and provided details of your exact problem with the specific errors that you received, then the folks replying to them will be able to give you decent answers.

Folks also expect you to have already done some research on the problems before you make your posting asking for help.

I always go and search google and any other docs I can find relating to my problem, before making a posting.

I always let folks know what I have tried to do before hand to resolve the problem my self.

The folks then are most helpful, and assist me with my research if needed or give me pointers as to how to resolve my problems/errors.

I also read up as much as what I can find before hand.


I trust that this will be of help to you and to many others as well.
 
Old 03-31-2004, 12:31 AM   #26
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with all die respect Dr. Ephemeron, but some of your points ARE debatable. You are comparing apples and oranges. Two different operating systems designed differently. Windows has always been for less than knowledgable people, who only need to point and click to get things done. Things are hidden from the ordinary users in Windows. Do you even know where your User.dat and System.dat files are? Do you know what they are doing behind your back?
For one thing, Linux is extremly configurable. No two installations of Linux are the same. Try to seriously change Windows and you will see. That is why there isn't much you can you in Windows to screw it up. Windows is a monolithic OS, while Linux is made of of modules you can add and substract.
Try to mess with your User.dat file in Windows and see how far you get for example. Erase a few Registry entries and see if your Windows even boots up. Come on, I dare you. In Linux ALL system files are configurable. That is why no two configuration files in Linux are the same. That is why most advice you will get with Linux is "try and and see if it works" approach and "I can show you the path, but you have to walk on it alone" aproach.
By default most Linux users are far more knowlegdable than your average Windows luser. We even expect you to know a few thing BEFORE you begin to even try Linux. Such things as knowing precisely what your hardware is and how to configure a file or two. Maybe even how to partition a hard drive.
Actually, Windows has a lot more issues than "a few security issues most users don't care about". It's a memory hog. It crashes often. Needs to be rebooted...daily. All major apps are integrated -IE and Outlook, Office and Outlook, Media Player and IE. Price. Tons of viruses, trojans etc that will destroy your system if you click on the wrong .exe, .scr or macro. Bill Gates himself, dictating me what i can and cannot do. Hiding major system files from me. IE itself. Outlook, the worst and easily the most dangerous app in the whole world.
I am sorry if you feel that you cannot get the help you need or require. Maybe you need to do some more studying, me thinks. Linux is NOT for everyone I'm afraid. Maybe it's not for you. It's a decision you have to make.
 
Old 03-31-2004, 05:41 AM   #27
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Originally posted by catman_za
That all depends on how you asked the question and where you looked for the answers. If you asked the question in the correct way and provided details of your exact problem with the specific errors that you received, then the folks replying to them will be able to give you decent answers.

Folks also expect you to have already done some research on the problems before you make your posting asking for help.

I always go and search google and any other docs I can find relating to my problem, before making a posting.

I always let folks know what I have tried to do before hand to resolve the problem my self.

The folks then are most helpful, and assist me with my research if needed or give me pointers as to how to resolve my problems/errors.

I also read up as much as what I can find before hand.


I trust that this will be of help to you and to many others as well.
Not to mention people like catman_za that claims that anyone asking for help should prove they are worthy by explaining their life story with linux before asking a question is sort of a tired attitude.

Last edited by Dr. Ephemeron; 03-31-2004 at 05:46 AM.
 
Old 03-31-2004, 05:43 AM   #28
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Originally posted by petkov
with all die respect Dr. Ephemeron, but some of your points ARE debatable. You are comparing apples and oranges. Two different operating systems designed differently. Windows has always been for less than knowledgable people, who only need to point and click to get things done. Things are hidden from the ordinary users in Windows. Do you even know where your User.dat and System.dat files are? Do you know what they are doing behind your back?
For one thing, Linux is extremly configurable. No two installations of Linux are the same. Try to seriously change Windows and you will see. That is why there isn't much you can you in Windows to screw it up. Windows is a monolithic OS, while Linux is made of of modules you can add and substract.
Try to mess with your User.dat file in Windows and see how far you get for example. Erase a few Registry entries and see if your Windows even boots up. Come on, I dare you. In Linux ALL system files are configurable. That is why no two configuration files in Linux are the same. That is why most advice you will get with Linux is "try and and see if it works" approach and "I can show you the path, but you have to walk on it alone" aproach.
By default most Linux users are far more knowlegdable than your average Windows luser. We even expect you to know a few thing BEFORE you begin to even try Linux. Such things as knowing precisely what your hardware is and how to configure a file or two. Maybe even how to partition a hard drive.
Actually, Windows has a lot more issues than "a few security issues most users don't care about". It's a memory hog. It crashes often. Needs to be rebooted...daily. All major apps are integrated -IE and Outlook, Office and Outlook, Media Player and IE. Price. Tons of viruses, trojans etc that will destroy your system if you click on the wrong .exe, .scr or macro. Bill Gates himself, dictating me what i can and cannot do. Hiding major system files from me. IE itself. Outlook, the worst and easily the most dangerous app in the whole world.
I am sorry if you feel that you cannot get the help you need or require. Maybe you need to do some more studying, me thinks. Linux is NOT for everyone I'm afraid. Maybe it's not for you. It's a decision you have to make.
I use Mandrake all the time and it IS for me. You really didn't need to write a bible over my little post... it has nothing to do with much of what you are talking about and you are completely wrong about me.
 
Old 03-31-2004, 10:51 AM   #29
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How did this turn into a debate!
The bottom line is, we will be able to help the thread starter uninstall Mandrake, and install Windows without a problem. I have done it many times.
Noah
 
Old 04-03-2004, 10:23 PM   #30
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I am also going back to windows after a couple of weeks with mandrake 10. I did what people had said, fdisk /mbr, then run fdisk, etc... after that, i try to format my 120g hd, and it says it's 40,90.46M..... am i missing something? If someone could do a step-by-step thing using fdisk, i havnen't had any experience with it, that would be great...
 
  


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