Sound problem with ASUS A7V8X-X chipset KT400
 

I recently installed Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4. Everything works fine except there's no sound. running Mandrake on ASUS A7V8X-X chipset KT 400(Appolo I guess) and sounth bridge VT8235. When click on an mp3 Xmms opens up and it seems its playing it in terms of the equalizer bars and everything but still there is no sound.
After googlin a bit I checked aumix. It was set to "Mute All" and all volumes at 0 at first but changing that wouldn't bring out any sound :mad: . Using that cat command I found that the default driver seems to be for KT8233. Would that be the reason? I had SuSE 9.0 on my box a couple of months ago (kernel 2.6) and I had sound there BUT now Konqueror was so slow and sluggish. Then I tried RedHat. No sound with rh either. Then Knoppix. Same problem. Does anyone have a clue as to how to fix this problem? Mandrake looks like a very fine and smooth distro so I would really like to be able to use it and move completely from XP.
I'm a noob so please be patient with me cuz we all have been noobs someday. lol (no offense)

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Could you post the output of lspci and lsmod?

Re: Sound problem with ASUS A7V8X-X chipset KT400
 

My board is that one and I got sound working when I searched LQ and found this thread
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...5&pagenumber=2
and post #17 has a easy tutorial.

lspci and lsmod comman outputs
 

Here are the outputs
lspci:
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400 AGP] Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 PCI Bridge
00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus Master
IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)

lsmod:
for some strange reason I get command not found!

Try /sbin/lsmod

Also, are you using OSS or ALSA sound drivers? I'm guessing OSS but I want to be sure.

Could you also do a find /lib/modules -iname via82c*_audio.o and report the output?

Thanks ADZ for your followup. Really appreciate it.

I post the results of lspci and lsmod again

lspci:

00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400 AGP] Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 PCI Bridge
00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)


/sbin/lsmod:

Module Size Used by Not tainted
udf 90464 0 (autoclean)
via82cxxx_audio 22172 0
uart401 8196 0 [via82cxxx_audio]
ac97_codec 12488 0 [via82cxxx_audio]
sound 70644 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401]
soundcore 6276 0 [via82cxxx_audio sound]
af_packet 14952 1 (autoclean)
sr_mod 16920 0 (autoclean)
via-rhine 15056 1 (autoclean)
mii 3832 0 (autoclean) [via-rhine]
supermount 15296 2 (autoclean)
ide-cd 33856 0
cdrom 31648 0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
ide-scsi 11280 0
scsi_mod 103284 2 [sr_mod ide-scsi]
ehci-hcd 18568 0 (unused)
usb-uhci 24652 0 (unused)
usbcore 72992 1 [ehci-hcd usb-uhci]
rtc 8060 0 (autoclean)
ext3 59916 2
jbd 38972 2 [ext3]


So I guess these are the modules loaded to the Kernel?

Also after issuing "find /lib/modules -iname via82c*_audio.o" I get nothing meaning it does not exist I guess. Also "alsa soundcore" yields "command not found". So What do I do from here?
Thank you very much

Well this is your sound module (driver): via82cxxx_audio - It is OSS.

It's loaded (yes lsmod lists modules currently loaded in kernel) and should therefore be operational. Double check your volume settings and make sure that ALL are unmuted and set to 100%. You can reduce this later as sound might come out distorted but for now put all to 100%. Then, in XMMS, go to Options -> Preferences -> Audio I/O plugins and check what output plugin you are currently using (and tell me). Also, are you using KDE or GNOME?

I am using KDE (I like GNOME too). Now in Xmms the output plugin is:

OSS Driver 1.2.7 [libOSS.so]

There is a "configure" botton there when I click it I see:
Audio device:
Default (Unknown)
Mixer Device
Default (Unknown)

Is this useful?

Thanks

OK the reason I ask if you're using KDE or GNOME is because both have their own sound server. For more info on sound servers check out this thread. So what you want to do is use the output plugin associated with that server. KDE's sound server is called aRTs so change the OSS output plugin in XMMS to read arts output plugin. That should solve your problem.

Thank you adz. Although that didn't solve my problem. I set the output plugin of xmms to KDE's sound server but still I have no sound. I don't know if Mandrake has sound when you click on stuff like windows or not, but if it DOES, I cant hear any. I'll probably buy a PCI card thats fully suppoted and install it on my box and see what happens. But anyways, thank you very much for you help. I learned alot of stuff and I appreciate your help.

It does not, for the most part, unless you go into the KDE Control Center and set some... although you should hear a little theme when KDE loads.

As long as you remembered to unmute and raise ALL volume levels (not just master and PCM)...

RE - No Sound on ASUS A7V8X-X
 

Hi,

I had the same problem with my ASUS board but not the Giga-Byte 7VAXP (SuSE 9.0,9.1) board with the same chipset, go figure. At any rate I found some directions on SuSEs site to run alsoconf and it worked great.

run alsaconf as root...fixed my sound via-82xx. very easy to do.

I hope this works for you, as it did for me. I think this might be the first time I actually helped.

Good luck,
Bruce

I hope you didn't go out and spend money on a PCI card. I have that board in my wife's comp, and sound works great. But it's with the ALSA drivers. If you go to that thread that Ming Dao referenced earlier, and follow those simple little instructions, it should work. If not, the problem is more than likely with Mandreck. If you want to get that onboard sound chip working, don't give up. Get the ALSA drivers and forget that OSS stuff. Adz and Holly know their stuff, and they haven't given up on you. What say?

The VIA8233 onboard sound is fully supported; if you look at my sig, you'll see that I have one as well. While I will freely admit that it was blasted dodgy when I first started using Linux (as the OSS drivers in the earlier 2.4 series kernel were broken, not having the needed AC 97 patch), ALSA always worked, as did Mandrake (from version 9.0 onward), as Mandrake always installed ALSA by default. Nowadays, current kernels even have the AC 97 patch for the OSS drivers, so there's no reason that the card should not work.... and in fact the card does work.

It is detected, and the modules are loaded.

That means this is a mixer problem, not a hardware/driver problem.

The first thing I see is that you unmuted aumix (the OSS mixer) rather than alsamixer (the ALSA mixer). Running alsaconf as suggested should not normally be necessary, but might be useful. Basically, if the problem is that your sound apps don't crash but you can't hear any sound, either the mixer is not set/unmuted, and/or your sound apps are misconfigured (using the wrong output plugins). When one gets errors such as "sound server could not start" and XMMS crashes to desktop when trying to play something, then you have a problem with the soundcard hardware being misdetected or misconfigured.

So Chinaman is quite right; it's an unneccessary expenditure of cash to get another sound card. But it's your money, so do as you will ;) .

Hi all, have u used volume control???

Excat same problem !!!
 

Hi people, Im having the asus A7v8x-x motherboard and having the excat same problem as "mentally silent".
im a complete noob at linux, but good generally.
Please help me get sound. Like "mentally silent" says, i guess theres another driver for via8235 chips. I tried doing everything suggested on this forum.
I even tried setting the output in XMMX to arts, but then it wont even give the bars, in oss its givin the bars but, i still dont have sound.
This is my lsmod and lspci .
Im using Red hat9.0 (shrike).
Please help me out...

lsmod
--------

Module Size Used by Not tainted
via82cxxx_audio 24088 0
uart401 8260 0 [via82cxxx_audio]
sound 73108 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401]
soundcore 6276 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound]
ac97_codec 13544 0 (autoclean) [via82cxxx_audio]
parport_pc 18756 1 (autoclean)
lp 8868 0 (autoclean)
parport 36480 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
autofs 12948 0 (autoclean) (unused)
via-rhine 15568 0 (unused)
mii 3944 0 [via-rhine]
ipt_REJECT 3896 6 (autoclean)
iptable_filter 2380 1 (autoclean)
ip_tables 14648 2 [ipt_REJECT iptable_filter]
keybdev 2880 0 (unused)
mousedev 5428 1
hid 21700 0 (unused)
input 5792 0 [keybdev mousedev hid]
usb-uhci 25868 0 (unused)
ehci-hcd 19592 0 (unused)
usbcore 77696 1 [hid usb-uhci ehci-hcd]
ext3 69984 2
jbd 51220 2 [ext3]


lspci
------
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400 AGP] Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 PCI Bridge
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)

II_pretender_II, the first - and obvious - question is: Are all sound channels unmuted? Secondly, are you using either KDE or GNOME? If not then the arts/esd plugins wont work for you and you'll need to use the OSS plugin.

Hi adz, thanks for replying.
Anywayz, All the channels are unmuted and at full throttle...
I used the "sound and video -> volume" menu option.
Im using KDE 3.3 but i do have gnome installed too...
There is no sound in either of them.
Im currently using oss plugin in XMMS...
Hope this helps ...
Cant afford to buy a new sound card like mentallysilent... :p

Here's the aRts sound server faq, which will lead you to get sound that way.
http://www.arts-project.org/doc/mcop-doc/artsd-faq.html

I still say it's much easier to go to ALSA, get the first three files (Driver, Library, Utilities) and then go their page
for your VIA 8235 chipset and just follow their instructions.
Afterwards, you'll have sound for every app. ;-) It's really quite easy. You can copy and paste your way through
most of their instructions. NB: It doesn't specifically say, but you should run "alsamixer" as user, using the "m" key to
unmute all the channels, and then the up arrow key to raise the volumes. Then, log in as root and run "alsactl store" so
that your settings will be saved after you restart X or reboot.

You can do it anyway you like, but Holly and I have that chipset, used ALSA, and we have sound in all apps. ;-)

Thanks...
 

Ok,
I think i'll try that alsa thing again.
But im gonna need help with it, so if you can
Pls add me up at yahoo messenger
Id : iiii_pretender_iiii

Just look at post #17 in this thread -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...5&pagenumber=2
and follow those instructions. No Yahoo! here...

stuck ../
 

Hi i followed the site steps, and got stuck up with the drivers.
The utilities and libraries installed fine....
Heres the error output..


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stuck ../
 

Hi i followed the site steps, and got stuck up with the drivers.
The utilities and libraries installed fine....
Heres the error output..


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checking for directory with kernel source... /lib/modules/2.4.20-8/build
checking for kernel version... The file /lib/modules/2.4.20-8/build/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
sources (default is /lib/modules/2.4.20-8/build).
make all-deps
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.5a'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all-deps'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.5a'

Please, run the configure script as first...

rm -f /snd*.*o /persist.o /isapnp.o
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.5a/acore'
Makefile:6: /usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.5a/Makefile.conf: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.5a/Makefile.conf'. Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.5a/acore'
make: *** [install-modules] Error 1

Did you install the library and utilities before the driver? It specifically states to install the drivers first. I don't know what difference it makes, but I always follow the directions. Anyways, don't try to change or undo anything right now - we've got to get the kernel sources for you.

RedHat didn't install the kernel sources for you. At the moment I'm about to go to bed, it's really late for me and I'm really tired. Please search the RedHat forum here on LQ and see if you can find out where someone got the proper kernel sources. I'll help later, but I don't run RedHat and it would be great if someone who knew this could lend a hand. Search with the string "kernel source files RedHat" and see what you get. You may also want to try searching http://www.google.com/linux which will probably give you more specific results.

Issue the command "uname -a" and post what kernel version you're running. I imagine that it's 2.4.20-8 like your error message says, which is probably the default for RH9.

There is an answer, we just need to get your kernel source directory lined up for ALSA. Maybe motub or adz will check this thread also. I'm not sure, but I think Holly's had some RH experience.

Yes, I have, but kernel sources are pretty much kernel sources. The main difference is that RH is an RPM distribution (naturally, since RPM stands for RedHat Package Manager), and that you'd want the RH official sources from RH, which include whatever RH patches or tweaks RH has implemented.

Now, first of all, II_pretender_II, you say "Anywayz, All the channels are unmuted and at full throttle..." but are they unmuted and at full throttle in aumix (the OSS mixer, which controls all the other ones, not the other way around) as opposed to KMix or whatever?

But OK, we're installing ALSA, which is probably a good idea, since I don't see the AC97 patch/module being loaded, and VIA 823x sound won't work without it.

You can get the kernel sources from the RHN if that's still working, from yum or synaptic or apt if you have them installed, or you can go directly to http://www2.linuxforum.net/RPM/kernel-source.html or http://at.rpmfind.net/opsys/linux/RP...el-source.html and download the source directly (do a uname -r as suggested beforehand, so you get the right version, but as Chinaman thought, 2.4.20-8 is the default install kernel, so if you haven't upgraded then that's probably what you have. But check anyway).

However you install the RPM (automatically via Yum, Synaptic or Apt, or manually by double-clicking the RPM in a file manager, or using rpm in the command line), when the install is complete, the source will be unpacked to /usr/src/linux-kernel-version, and a symlink will be created to /usr/src/linux.

Because this is the source for your currently running kernel, there's nothing else you have to do with it; if you install ALSA again according to the directions on the ALSA site (if it's up today), you should encounter no further problems with compiling the driver modules for your sound card. If you encounter problems after that, we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it; first things first, one step at a time and all that :) .

Hope this helps.

Mandrake 10- no sound problem with VIA soundcard
 

Hi guys,
I recently upgraded to Mandrake 10 which comes with kernel 2.6 and my sound works perfectly. I think its worth a try now that it has become available for public download. I also noticed some performance improvements with Drake 10. Hope you guys try it out.
cheers

Cool !!!
 

Hey cool !!,
Thats great news man...
Im downloading the file now ..
maybe i'll be done in two days...
I'll try this out and let you guys know...
Thanks a lot for helping though.
You guys are the best...

Works finally
 

Hi guys, i installed mandrake 10 today,
And guess what, My sound finally works !!!
I guess im gonna fire up some movies tonight...
Thanks a lot again people ...

I'm glad you guys got a distro you're happy with. I hear that a lot of Windoze immigrants can live with Mandreck. Just want to encourage you to read this Unix and Internet Fundamentals link in my sig to get an idea of what's happening within your system. Linux is more powerful than Windoze, but you won't really understand until you start learning about it.

Congratulations on your success!!!

Congratulations from me as well-- most likely the upgraded ALSA and/or kernel did the trick, and if installing a new distro was the best way to get them, then that's fine.

Chinaman, please don't confuse the new migrators with "distro-eliteism" ("Mandreck"). I know that there are many reasons for disliking heavily-tweaked binary distros, but they do have their place in the migration market, and the nice thing about Mandrake is that it's the only freely available commercial binary distro that's actually made for the end-user as opposed to the enterprise. Fedora is a testbed for RedHat Enterprise, SuSE Professional is also really for the enterprise, SuSE Personal is ridiculously crippled for an ordinary user (what do you mean, no compiler and no DVD playback?) and Lindows/Linspire.... is a whole 'nother kettle of fish (and certainly not freely available).

Mandrake is not completely perfect (naturally, what is?), but I admire their effort to make (and freely provide) a binary distro for me (a home user migrating from Windows 2000) that I can use out-of-the-box, rather than a distro for my boss, his secretary, and the IT department who's responsible for administering the boxes at my workplace.

One could definitely do worse, and heck, their boxes work now, so they can use Linux. Ultimately, that's what we're all after when we try to help. I'm just glad that II_pretender_II and mentallysilent stuck with it instead of deciding that "Linux sucks!" and retreating back to Windows.

So, double congratulations are in order for you both.