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Old 01-17-2007, 07:40 PM   #16
trickykid
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Originally Posted by Rotwang
Jeremy we already talked about, extensively, two years ago.
Wow. I do recall your name in a past incident and I'm pretty good at remembering some things but two years ago? Are you serious? I can't recall what happened as a lot of incidents have occured in the past 6 years being on this forum. And I'm not kidding, I close threads every other day cause people abuse this forum.

But really, two years ago? I think it's time to let go and move on.. seriously, it's an online forum and I can guarantee 100% of the time I am in compliance of the rules stated here, excluding the sarcasm or bluntness that may also occur when following such rules.

/me shaking his head in disbelief that someone could stay bitter for over 2 years on an online forum with people he's never even met or know on a personal level..

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Old 01-17-2007, 08:02 PM   #17
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Oooh.. I think I found it.. was it this thread: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=180009

Cause if it was, that's pretty sad if your still upset over that.. no pun intended, I just can't believe someone can hold a grudge for this long. There are murderers that are forgiven in less time by the victims families..
 
Old 01-17-2007, 08:19 PM   #18
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Ray,

The thread I pointed out is the only thread where I can clearly see we supposedly abused our powers in relation to Rotwang but the way I see it and remember it now, we were trying our best to stop a stupid flame war and piss contest between Rotwang and another member.

Rotwang,

That's not abusing our powers, that's preventing you from getting banned, which it would have led to if we had let you two continue your childish argument of who had the bigger dick.

So, get over it already and move on, everyone else has! None of the moderators here abuse powers, as you'll notice that even in that thread Jeremy backed us up on the rules we were enforcing, even the supposed unwritten rules that Jeremy was willing to add to make super official power rule.. blah blah blah..

I'm done now, just still shaking my head, laughing to myself a little bit..

Cheers,

-trickykid
 
Old 01-17-2007, 08:50 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by jeremy
You don't have to agree, of course, and I think you'll find us more open to criticism than most. That being said, if you'd like to participate you do have to comply. We all make mistakes, how long are you going to highlight what happened in the "past"? I think you'll find looking to the future more productive.

--jeremy
I haven't "highlighted what happend in the past" yet, but I'll answer your question as if I had:

Jeremey I'm going to "highlight what happened in the past" for as long as I'm posting on LQ and these moderators are still here and still unaware of the mistakes they've made (and will therefore likely continue to make). I don't care if it's yesterday or ten years ago, you have the same moderators on the same site. The bug isn't fixed.

A good example is Trickykid's recent post on this thread, in which he claims that you supported his posts in that old MTV thread. That's not what you told me at the time, jeremy. (And of course, that thread is only one example of the many problem posts and emails by Trickykid, as you know.)

Lets go back to your complaint about my "provocation". If you can rephrase my answer to harishankar's question in post number 6 of this thread, in such a way that it isn't what you consider to be a "provocation", without loss of meaning, then I can comply. If not, then I can't, because your "provocation" restriction would have simply been a cleverly worded cover for "don't ever criticise the moderators".
 
Old 01-17-2007, 08:57 PM   #20
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I'm a bug now and so is XavierP? Oh gee, I'll take that as a compliment, I think..

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Originally Posted by Rotwang
(And of course, that thread is only one example of the many problem posts and emails by Trickykid, as you know.)
If that thread and my response to stop the flame war is considered a problem post, perhaps we should count the problems in that thread that you made yourself? Especially when you were engaging in a flame war and making personal attacks..

Honestly, email me this list of problem threads/posts and emails of mine you have collected over the past few years, I'd love to read them or have you point them out to me. But what I truly think is, nevermind, I won't continue this daft argument in this public forum..

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Old 01-18-2007, 12:16 AM   #21
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Forgive me for intervening here.

I won't say I never had problems with the moderators in the past. If anything, I've even fought them openly a couple of times around 2 years back which I think would have got me banned on most forums I have experienced. On LQ.org I was able to resolve it thanks to the timely intervention of Jeremy, who clearly stepped in and was able to act as a mediator. Since then, I've found that communicating by e-mail your clear problems and then openly and frankly discussing them off-line (and not on the forum) is the best way to resolve differences.

Needless to say, today I am much wiser than I used to be and I know the value of offline and private exchange of views which often resolves seemingly insoluble problems on the public forum.

I am absolutely honest and not exaggerating when I say that in my experience LQ.org was and is among the most tolerant online forums around, but also that Jeremy takes a personal hand in ensuring that things around the forum are smoothly handled. And of course, I have criticised LQ.org in the past and found that Jeremy has been most receptive in taking note of them.

Since this is a forum run by human beings, there will always be issues of moderation - but they don't mean that the moderators are abusing their powers. In most cases, I believe they act with the best possible motives although their decisions can hardly please everybody involved.

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Old 01-18-2007, 01:13 AM   #22
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This is a curious thread. My 2 cents: Rotwang - at the risk of being classified as a abusive mod, as stated in previous responses, any complaints/concerns/comments about a particular mod and/or a mod's actions relative to a particular thread should be first addressed (offline) with the mod in question, then to the site admin if necessary. I think that the entire LQ mod team would agree that any valid, constructive criticism always can be of value and is always welcome, and that if you think a mod has "made a mistake", why not just contact him/her directly offline to discuss it, as opposed to publicly making random and vague references about some sort of perceived horrible injustice that occurred long ago? Personally, I think the LQ mod team takes their responsibilities very seriously, and if any of us (for example) closed a thread on the basis that the thread appeared to violate the LQ Rules, if the OP then followed up with additional info and/or provided additional context that shows that the thread is actually OK, more likely than not the mod will reopen the thread, and probably with an apology to boot. As a basic statement, I think all mods follow the guideline that a (very) senior mod once mentioned to me in a response to an Email I sent him: "When you mod, mod lightly....." Personally, I think that's excellent advice, and try my best to follow it (although I suppose that in retrospect I'd re-do certain posts I've made. Hopefully not that many, though)

In any case, if you choose to keep all these (for lack of a better term) "mod infractions" as secrets known only to yourself, well, nobody's a mind reader, and unless you speak up, no one's going to know or be able to detect that you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. Enough said. Please consider contacting the mod(s) and/or site admin if you have a disagreement with how the forums and/or threads are managed. Overall, reading this thread reminds me of the Seinfeld episode of "Festivus", which includes The Airing of the Grievances. Maybe LQ should start observing Festivus once a year.

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Old 01-18-2007, 03:46 AM   #23
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Yay - I'm back again. Looking through that old thread (assuming that's the one), it's all coming flooding back to me. As I recall, and from reading the thread, that whole thing became a train wreck very quickly - arguments about arguments really. As moderators, we are here to keep things on track and that's what we did. It is incredibly rare for Jeremy to need to step in to a thread and that should tell you what a wreck it was.

Frankly, if that's the worst example of an abuse of powers by either myself or by Drew, then both of us can sleep easily. Of course, we still don't know if that is the thread.... Didn't Kafka write something about being accused of a crime but not being told what the actual crime is? I know Woody Allen did, anyway

Regardless, 2004 was a long time ago now, we've all grown up and moved on, let it lie eh?
 
Old 01-18-2007, 11:39 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by J.W.
This is a curious thread. My 2 cents: Rotwang - at the risk of being classified as a abusive mod, as stated in previous responses, any complaints/concerns/comments about a particular mod and/or a mod's actions relative to a particular thread should be first addressed (offline) with the mod in question, then to the site admin if necessary.
I did. Both. And I said so already, see my post #14 on this thread.

(And the "at the risk of being classified as a abusive mod" bit is an unfair dig. It also reek of a bias on your part, that the mods are pristine and holy, and any complaints about them must be irrational and reactive. Try to keep your perspective in the middle. )

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In any case, if you choose to keep all these (for lack of a better term) "mod infractions" as secrets known only to yourself, well, nobody's a mind reader, and unless you speak up, no one's going to know or be able to detect that you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. Enough said. Please consider contacting the mod(s) and/or site admin if you have a disagreement with how the forums and/or threads are managed. Overall, reading this thread reminds me of the Seinfeld episode of "Festivus", which includes The Airing of the Grievances. Maybe LQ should start observing Festivus once a year.
I most definately did not "keep all these 'mod infractions' as secrets known only to myself". I brought them all up when they happened, I did exactly what you suggest here, to the letter. In fact, the reason you don't know about them all is that I talked about them extensively with Trickykid and jeremy privately.

(Hey what's wrong with the term "mod infractions", I think you coined that one nicely.)

There's something important everyone has to keep track of here- you must all remember, I didn't start a thread about moderator problems here. Don't forget that. You'd like to think that, because it gives you an easier position to argue from, but that's not what's happened here. What happened is, I answered harishankar's question, and in order to do so, I had to inevitably make reference to the problems with some of the moderators. (BTW I'm actually still trying to concoct a way to search for "problem" threads. I wish I could search for closed threads, hmmm...)

My past post on this thread sums it up perfectly- if you can tell me how to answer that question in some other way without loss of meaning, let me know. I'm not going to just pretend that everything's peachy.

I'm very reluctant to spew out all of the examples from 2004/05 here because then I really am "bringing up old problems from the past". So far I haven't. What I've done so far is refer to them collecticely, in order to answer a question. An analogy would be if I said: "Well, that error is a symptom of Eclipse's memory management problems." And someone says "Are you going to re-hash that old discussion on Eclipse's memory management that's been discussed 1000 times before?" It's a logical paradox, you're making a mental leap.

If you or the other mods want me to list out the past problems, threads, emails, that I've seen before, then that's YOU asking me to do that, and NOT old pesky Rotwang deciding to re-argue what's already been argued before.
 
Old 01-18-2007, 11:44 AM   #25
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OK, this thread is not in any way constructive at this point and is *way* off topic (which was RSS-related). Closed. If anyone can any questions or concerns, feel free to contact me.

--jeremy
 
  


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