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Old 08-29-2010, 10:53 AM   #361
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if they press the 'Yes' option for finding the post helpful, it does show up in your UserCP. I think this adds to the feel good factor, knowing that you've been thanked in a way although without receiving 'points'.
Well, that may be sufficient for you ! Good. May be my problem of being an LQ Addict will get slowly solved now, thanks to OP
 
Old 08-29-2010, 10:58 AM   #362
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A couple comments:

* You do realize that members could not use the "Thanks" system until they had a certain number of posts, correct? That didn't seem to impact the number of Thanks other members got, and is inline with how we unlock many other features here at LQ.

* As we monitor how the system is actually used, it's possible that we'll alter things so that you simply need to reach a certain post count before repping someone alters their points.

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Old 08-29-2010, 11:04 AM   #363
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* You do realize that members could not use the "Thanks" system until they had a certain number of posts, correct?
--jeremy
What are you talking about ? I have always got thanks from newbies !

May be the number of posts you had set for them to use thanks was so small that I couldn't notice it.

But getting a "yes" on a good post or an actual repute point requires a lot of knowledge/helpful attitude etc.
There fore it is hard to earn !

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Old 08-29-2010, 11:26 AM   #364
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Once again thanks for the continued feedback in this thread. With the bug count looking low, we're looking at some of the functionality aspects closer and here are a couple open items I'd still like feedback on:

* Would showing per post rep be beneficial?
* Should voting "No" on "Did you find this post helpful" decrease rep?
* Should a member need some amount of positive rep to be able to impact other members rep? Keep in mind that members with 0 rep can currently *use* the system, although they do not add rep when doing so.

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Old 08-29-2010, 11:35 AM   #365
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Hi,

I've already stated why in previous posts, just short yes/no answers this time.
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* Would showing per post rep be beneficial?
Yes.
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* Should voting "No" on "Did you find this post helpful" decrease rep?
Yes.
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* Should a member need some amount of positive rep to be able to impact other members rep? Keep in mind that members with 0 rep can currently *use* the system, although they do not add rep when doing so.
If members includes total newbies: Yes.
 
Old 08-29-2010, 11:38 AM   #366
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Once again thanks for the continued feedback in this thread. With the bug count looking low, we're looking at some of the functionality aspects closer and here are a couple open items I'd still like feedback on:

* Would showing per post rep be beneficial?
* Should voting "No" on "Did you find this post helpful" decrease rep?
* Should a member need some amount of positive rep to be able to impact other members rep? Keep in mind that members with 0 rep can currently *use* the system, although they do not add rep when doing so.

--jeremy
Hi Jeremy,

1) I think it could be beneficial to show a per post rep but wouldn't that be more confusing then beneficial?
2) In my opinion the rep system should not be used as a 'penalty' system as indicated in my previous post(s). I think 'negatively repping' should be reserved to a limited group like the moderators for example to avoid misuse/abuse. If someone thinks that negative rep is wanted, then he/she can always contact a mod who will then decide. The helpfulness of a post is in the eye of the beholder. If someone posts a link to a good manual but the OP is too lazy to read and wants 'instant solutions' then he/she might negatively rep just out of anger. Things like that should be avoided in my opinion because they would mean a misuse of the system as you set it up.
3) I think that assigning a minimal reputation to new members might have a positive influence, both to them and to the helpers, but in my personal opinion the way it's used now also is a positive indicator for me. They click yes and I can see it in my CP, so know they clicked and are grateful, regardless of the fact that I didn't get any 'rep points' which isn't the most important thing

Just my two cents (of a EURO).

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 08-29-2010, 11:53 AM   #367
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With the Thanks system you were able to see who thanked us and who we thanked.

The new rep system only shows the Latest Reputation Received, will a (Latest) Reputation Given be added in the future?
 
Old 08-29-2010, 11:57 AM   #368
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So the smaller post count the rep giver has, the less rep the receiver gets?
 
Old 08-29-2010, 12:01 PM   #369
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So the smaller post count the rep giver has, the less rep the receiver gets?
Yes. If the OP has 0 rep you receive 0 rep and a line (with or without comment) in your Latest Reputation Received stats.
I just pressed the rep icon on a newbie (0 rep, handfull of posts) and s/he received 10 rep points.

Sliding scale (0 -> ?? atm) depending on how much rep the giver already has.

Last edited by druuna; 08-29-2010 at 12:31 PM. Reason: Corrected an error.
 
Old 08-29-2010, 12:45 PM   #370
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Bug or (unwanted?) feature?

When you set Statistics on "Your Friends" in the Profile Privacy (essentially limiting just about anybody from seeing that info) the rep dot(s) are still shown and info is given when hovering it.

EDIT: I just noticed that this is true for all tabs on the profile page.
I guess this makes it a feature and not a bug.....

Last edited by druuna; 08-29-2010 at 01:36 PM. Reason: Added additional observation
 
Old 08-29-2010, 01:33 PM   #371
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Yes. If the OP has 0 rep you receive 0 rep and a line (with or without comment) in your Latest Reputation Received stats.
I just pressed the rep icon on a newbie (0 rep, handfull of posts) and s/he received 10 rep points.

Sliding scale (0 -> ?? atm) depending on how much rep the giver already has.
Unfair!!!
 
Old 08-29-2010, 01:35 PM   #372
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* Would showing per post rep be beneficial?
* Should voting "No" on "Did you find this post helpful" decrease rep?
* Should a member need some amount of positive rep to be able to impact other members rep? Keep in mind that members with 0 rep can currently *use* the system, although they do not add rep when doing so.
Theoretically, yes.
Logically, yes.
See parenthetical note below...

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I've opted out, because I don't want to give people the impression that I know more than I actually do. First impressions count, and if I give answers that conflict with those given by someone with more experience and knowledge, but a lower reputation score, who is the questioner going to believe?
I've opted out, too, but for a different reason - the more I think about it, the more important it seems for it to be a percentage or description-based thing (rather than cumulative points) to really give a true indication of the likely quality of the post. By being a cumulative point thing, it's a rat race based more on quantity than quality.

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This situation is where the "Reputation points per post on the post itself" will help !
I agree that points on the individual post would somewhat address this, assuming that was noticed before the user's overall rep, though any given post isn't likely to get a whole lot of "modding", especially with a 24-hour cap on things. And, perhaps more importantly, even a good post from a low-rep person may be less likely to get positively reviewed. In that case, even a per-post angle wouldn't be very accurate or helpful.

Basically, it seems that if you post a lot and some of them are helpful, you'll get a lot of rep and more of your posts are more likely to be noticed and given yet more rep. If you don't post a lot, even if the vast majority are helpful, you'll have low rep and your posts are more likely to be ignored, keeping you at low rep.

(The weighted rep might address this but I don't know that it would change the essential character of it. And I think weighting un-repped people to zero is "unfair" to them, yet letting them rep might make the problem worse.)

Even if you opt out, if you're in the minority, you'll probably be viewed suspiciously. It would take a significant number of people opting out to make it look "normal". And it does suck that the 'opt-out' icon seems the same as the '0' icon. Null != 0.

-- Oh, and I completely agree with whoever raised the issue that people who have disabled the system are far less likely to be positively repped.

But, be that as it may, I'm out.

Last edited by slakmagik; 08-29-2010 at 01:42 PM. Reason: remembered second of the double-penalties vs. free "opt out"
 
Old 08-29-2010, 03:26 PM   #373
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FWIW, the opt-out icon is black and the zero icon is clear (in addition to it saying "Reputation: Disabled" vs "Reputation: 0"). It's not yet clear what impact opting out of the system will have on how other members rep you, but presumably if you opt out of the system what rep you get isn't important to you .

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With the Thanks system you were able to see who thanked us and who we thanked.

The new rep system only shows the Latest Reputation Received, will a (Latest) Reputation Given be added in the future?
We don't have any definitive plans to add this, but if members think it would be useful it's certainly something we'd consider.

--jeremy
 
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2) In my opinion the rep system should not be used as a 'penalty' system as indicated in my previous post(s). I think 'negatively repping' should be reserved to a limited group like the moderators for example to avoid misuse/abuse. If someone thinks that negative rep is wanted, then he/she can always contact a mod who will then decide. The helpfulness of a post is in the eye of the beholder. If someone posts a link to a good manual but the OP is too lazy to read and wants 'instant solutions' then he/she might negatively rep just out of anger. Things like that should be avoided in my opinion because they would mean a misuse of the system as you set it up.
Keep in mind that you need to be in the Senior Member group or above to even see the "No" option to Did you find this post helpful. Additionally, you need to be in the Senior Member group or above to give negative rep, and giving negative rep requires leaving a comment.

--jeremy
 
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