How about a new section for the Linux Tutorials section that will comprise of kernel howto's, Linux installs, dual-boots and installing non-Linux operating systems?

Named just like the thread title > Operating Systems or Operating System

Then the the current howto's that are in the other categories will be consolated into one category....

Take for instance the articles that are in the LinuxQuestions.org Tutorial link. Wouldn't those articles be better off in the section I suggest since they have nothing to do with a HOWTO for creating articles such as the LQ.org link suggests?

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=150

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=196

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=282

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=309

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=326

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=370

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=408

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=424

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...icle&artid=428


EDIT: My rendition or rather suggestion of a better, more user friendly front-end to LQ.org is the link in my signature named "My Bookmarks".

interesting concept. I think that people are just lazy however, and that the LQ layout is pretty functional, with a great search feature.

titanium_geek

lazy?

The fact is, you can have a thousand articles and howtos on this site in the most readable format. But 99% of the people will not read.

That is because LQ.org is not a static information site, but a help forum essentially and people will continue asking questions in the forums, totally ignoring the info-pages or howtos.

That's just the nature of this site, I'm afraid.

yep. Lazy. Don't want to google-- they want an instant answer. Don't want to search- they'll just ask thier question.

people are lazy. (or at least have a large capacity to be lazy) because lazyness is EASY! think about it. It's so much easier to be lazy.

so yeah. People are lazy.

titanium_geek

So Jeremy is lazy too then? I dont like you saying that people are lazy because they are not. People might generally be mis-informed, or naive, but I wouldn't go so far as to insult the millions of newbies with a statement like "you are lazy", because they dont know what wiki or tutorial or distro or podcast, etc are.

Jeremy has done a fine job with LQ.org and his latest 'random query' on each forum page is a nice plus to LQ.org.

My suggestion was and still is to clarify for those who only know "Encarta" and have no idea about the "Linux Community" terminology.

I just thought since Jeremy went through all of the trouble to make the individual section layouts so clear that he should move them to the front in an orderly layout like mine or like his rendition.

Lazy? bah humbug!

(they didn't mean that everyone who's new.... they aren't quite sure what they mean

Please accept the apologies from me of their slander on your character..
)

lazy... they called 'everyone' lazy.... unbelievable.



EDIT: Most newbies have no idea what Google means or is. Just an fyi from someone that's been a tech support engineer for about 20 years now. And that "G" in the browser doesn't register in most peoples minds as a search engine integrated into * browser.

Yes. Lazy, and I support the stated view ...

Most people who come here could use the search
feature. They don't , because they'd have to look at
10, maybe 20 threads to find the solution to their (or
a closely related) problem.

Instead they will ask a question, and expect others
to do the searching for them. They are lazy, abusing
us as a meta-search-engine.

Look at this fine example that perfectly proves my
point - and if I spent another 20 minutes searching I
could present you with heaps more.

Lazy most closely describes the vast majority of people
who come here for support - or at least the ones that
bother signing up. I have no problem to assume that
some that stumble across LQ in their google search
read the solution and never ask a thing.


Cheers,
Tink

You know what I think is considered lazy? People who say this:

"I usually don't read the front page as it's filled with all sorts of things when all anyone really wants is the HOWTO section. Which is what I have bookmarked in my brain. This link alone....."

But if they did go and actually look for their answer instead of asking on a site that is not even associated with the site they are asking about.

Kind of funny to think you go around preaching how people should read the howto's and manuals before asking questions but yet you just did the same thing technically a majority of our new members do when the come here wanting an answer to their question so they ask before searching or reading about it. Hmm.. what a coincedence!

I remember a quote once that goes like this, "He who dares not offend cannot be honest."

I would say 30 to 40 percent of the people are lazy. That is why they do not search. Mis-informed or naive people do not ask a simple question that get gets 20 exact hits.

The lazy comment I am sure was not directed at people new to Linux. It was directed at the lazy ones. Here is a good example, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=309542 .

thanks guys. Yes, thats what I meant. People are lazy. (well, thats a generalization- if it makes you feel better I'll say SOME people are lazy.)

No slight on either LQ or linux newbies- ignorance is not laziness. Ignorance meant in the nicest way- they are not idiots- they just don't know what's going on- just like you don't slap your toddler for falling over when he's trying to walk. Or ride a bike. whatever.

so yeah, I'm not some bitter social scientist, I just know that people have a tendancy to be lazy. (including me!)

titanium_geek

(ps what's with all the 't' names? apart from Harishanker, all the posters in this thread start with t. : ) )

I'm lazy too.. but only to a certain degree. If I got a question, I search til I can't find anything, sometimes it might take hours or days before I break down and ask a co-worker or someone I know. And when I do find the answer, I make sure I never forget.. a good admin is a lazy admin. If you have to do it once, automate it so you never have to do it again is how I was taught..

And you are very observant about the members posting here with names that start with a T... Harishanker ruined it I suppose.. could have just included us "T" members..

yep. sounds good. Laziness isn't ALL bad.

titanium_geek

(mental note- going to check out the bookmarks section)

It is if it results in OTHER people having to do your work,
laziness that ends up in computer automation is healthy ;}


Cheers,
Tink

forget about my signature.

I deleted my t3gah account from Yahoo! so there's no way to see my version of what I think jeremy should do to make peoples stay here more brain friendly.

both my Yahoo! and gmail accounts turned out to be insecure.

insecure?? in what way??