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t3gah 04-08-2005 06:05 PM

how about a STICKY notice that there are Wireless Tutorials, etc in ...
 
How about adding a sticky for the "LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux - Networking > Linux - Wireless Networking" forum ( http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...?s=&forumid=41 ) ....

one that tells that there are Tutorials on the various models covered in the LQ Tutorial and LQ Wiki section that also has links to each submitted so far?!

trickykid 04-08-2005 08:01 PM

I've found that stickies are not always that effective. I have a sticky in Linux - General that covers a lot of different things which seems to never get read or followed even. I think plastering stickies and links all over the place makes it too cluttered and only annoys more members.

t3gah 04-09-2005 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by trickykid
I've found that stickies are not always that effective. I have a sticky in Linux - General that covers a lot of different things which seems to never get read or followed even. I think plastering stickies and links all over the place makes it too cluttered and only annoys more members.
If it helps one person see or resolve their issue then it's worth it in my book. Also there hasn't been people posting that "sticky posts" are annoying, have there? It's like everything and everyone when the intelligence level is higher than * and the documents are slated for extreme n00bs. Those of higher interlligence or more understanding of the situation in question just skip sections or the document completely. That is not a sign that it's offensive to people. It's just life. But... If not a sticky, then maybe a question in that section outside and not a thread could be utilized. A question that asks say...


"Did you know that many networking and wireless instructions are contained within the LQ Wiki and LQ Tutorials sections of LinuxQuestions.org?"


In fact every forum here could benefit with something like that. A message you see BEFORE you go through the trouble of formulating a question, complete with error messages or config files when you go for that "New Thread" button. And "LQ Wiki" and "LQ Tutorials" are actual links to those sections. Maybe the question could be at the top and the bottom of each forum page in case they missed the top one or bottom one, depending upon which way they started reading. Kinda like the "Forum Sponsor" section.

trickykid 04-09-2005 09:39 AM

Well, why don't you create a thread with all this information and then report it to be stickied... then a moderator will review the thread and decide if its worth placing as a sticky or not.

That's how a majority of our stickies get placed.. usually placed for a short or long time and then unstickied.. but if you really think its going to make a large impact, I think your totally wrong.. before your time here at LQ we had such things, did it seem to help? Not really.. so some stickies were removed.

And don't go bezerk if you do decide to create one and want more.. I find it annoying when you enter a forum and have to scroll down half way thru the page to start reading the regular posted threads..

Out to change LQ entirely and you've only been here for what.. as long as a spec in the dirt.. ;) Sounds to me you should just start your own forum with all the changes you want made.. then you'd have total control.. but if you reply with, you don't have the time to make your own.. you should take that into consideration of the people who run this site as well.. too many suggestions from one person all at one time can be annoying to tell you the truth, the thing your actually doing. All the time you spend making suggestions that probably won't get implemented anyways, you could be writing howto's, tutorials, answering questions.. etc. ;)

twilli227 04-09-2005 12:30 PM

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Also there hasn't been people posting that "sticky posts" are annoying, have there?
And there haven't been people posting "We want more stickies posts" have there? As trickykid stated, stickies are not that effective, yes people do read them, but many don't. I belong to other forums that are plastered with stickies and I find most of them do no good and are annoying.
I like to see this site grow just as much as you do, but with all of your suggested changes, would it not be easier to type up a how-to on how to navigate through this forum, submit it, and maybe that could become a sticky.
Also as tricykid stated, start your own forum, it seems like you have the knack for it.

t3gah 04-10-2005 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by twilli227
And there haven't been people posting "We want more stickies posts" have there? As trickykid stated, stickies are not that effective, yes people do read them, but many don't. I belong to other forums that are plastered with stickies and I find most of them do no good and are annoying.
I like to see this site grow just as much as you do, but with all of your suggested changes, would it not be easier to type up a how-to on how to navigate through this forum, submit it, and maybe that could become a sticky.

Also as tricykid stated, start your own forum, it seems like you have the knack for it.

I have and am writing tutorials which is why I keep suggesting that the links be on the front so people will see that first instead of news items. As I recall this is a place to get answers to questions, not a place like Lxer to get news from. That's a thing I find annoying about forum sites. They put up news on the front when the most important meat should be there like direct access to the stuff that most poeple want.

I don't think the paragraph that states to go ahead and ask your question so experts can give you an answer is the proper way to help people.

As for starting my own forum that's not an option and it should show with the fact that i am a contributor to LQ.org.

I guess the twenty years experience doing Tech Support for people over the phone has me overzealous for things that I was used to at the biggest computer companies on the planet way before this website existed. Before Linux was even an idea.

I've just learned over time that saying the same things over and over and over again can be covered by a good tutorial if they can find it faster than they can see the main forum link.

It's what website feedback and suggestions are for, no?

Or is this section just for people to shoot down every suggestion because this section is just here to apease the people that want change?

trickykid 04-10-2005 09:05 AM

I don't think your really understanding what our main goal is here with these forums. I think what makes LQ.org is that we are not a RTFM type site. Even if the question is repeated a million times, our members give direct help. Pointing to a manual or howto is also beneficial but having a gazillion links to tutorials plastered everywhere and making it so members only point to links is not what we want to accomplish.

The forums are a large database that are never deleted, each time someone answers a question that has probably been answered a dozen times might give either the same steps to solve the problem or maybe a faster or quicker solution as software and hardware changes on a daily basis. If we just wanted tutorials and members to read those, why have forums but have a large team of people constantly updating those instead.. that's a reason we focus on direct help, not pointing members to stickies or links. Sure they might help the occasional member that searches but similiar problems might have different solutions, especially in our changing Open Source world..

You have to realize that some people are just lazy (no offense to anyone, cause I'm lazy as well) and some just don't want to search, read or try to help themselves. I've worked tech support myself and I'd have to say 90% of the people I dealt with really don't care, they just want it working. It's the same people who buy cars and never look under the hood, they use it for one thing and one thing only. So the majority of the people will come, ask their question cause they want an answer and that's it. They don't want to scrummage thru a 1 or 20 page manual to find their answer.

I'm not discouraging manuals, howto's or tutorials as I use them all the time.. but I'm not one of those people who just use a computer for certain things and don't bother knowing how it works, being a System Administrator, its my job to know how things work.

So your quest on plastering links to turorials and howto's to me is just wasting your time as that is not the focus of these forums. Perhaps you should work more on the wiki, if you write an excellent howto there that might answer a question on the forums, point them there or paste and copy the specific steps in the forums..

vharishankar 04-10-2005 09:11 AM

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Or is this section just for people to shoot down every suggestion because this section is just here to apease the people that want change?
It is tough to make changes at every suggestion. I do agree that it appears as though most suggestions are not heeded.

But that's because most suggestions are too fantastic or over the top and require radical design changes. As a site owner, I am well aware of how difficult it is to change a single aspect of a site once it's well established. Especially one that has a pre-built forum software running on top of it. It's hard to make code changes deep in the forum software code and keep the rest of the site integrated with the underlying code.

Site integration is a really difficult thing to achieve. I think LQ has achieved this fantastically. With more and more links and code modules, the thing could fall apart pretty quickly. At present the forum maintains a fine balance between usability and flexibility.

So you see, a lot of suggestions are not implemented because once a forum is well established and there are so many modules running on top of the forum base, it becomes pretty much a nightmare to maintain it especially when you make constant changes to the code base.

Note that this is a general observation of mine and not related to your current suggestions.


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