If unhelpful votes were meant as constructive criticism, then a link in my profile to see every post that other members have rated unhelpful would have been even more constructive.
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I am also not fond of the idea of having multiple "feedback-shortcuts" like 'off-topic' or 'suboptimal solution' buttons. I prefer quoting the solution and explaining why it should be done otherwise. This yields more educational benefits. One might also be a bit 'trigger happy' and click one of aforementioned buttons and realize later that the solution is not as bad as initially perceived. But the premature choice cannot be corrected. Besides, the poster might edit his post because he realizes that it can be improved on his own. The "score" then will not reflect those changes and a now good solution will stay flagged as "not so good". Since we are on this topic, I think that the scale icon is no longer appropriate as reputation indicator. Initially it was meant to indicate that one can balance a members reputation with it. But most members cannot give negative reputation anymore. So there is nothing to balance any more. |
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I've received a total of four downvotes. None came with an explanation. (I take that back. One came with an explanation that didn't match the downvotes' intended purpose.) With respect, I have always viewed downvotes as a "f%^# you" button. Useless, subjective wrist-slapping that adds nothing of value to a technical discussion, even when used correctly. (And it certainly isn't used correctly.) |
The correct response to a post like this cannot be anything but a downvote.
No reply or explanation is warranted, because that would be feeding a troll. However, the behavior here is so blatant and pathological that it is more appropriate to publically voice disapproval than to ignore it. |
@dugan: Agreed, the person should be called out for bad behavior. If it's a chronic problem, s/he probably doesn't belong here.
A downvote doesn't turn a jerk into a non-jerk. S/he feeds off attention. A downvote does irritate non-jerks who were/are sincerely trying to be helpful. So what problem does the downvote capability solve? (None, IMO.) |
It's true, a real troll doesn't care at all about down vote.
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On a serious note, I agree that downvotes don't seem to have the intended (any?) effect on the people/posts that deserve it most. |
Would it be possible to just add a few links, such as in the line:
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I've downvoted two posts for getting basics exactly wrong, and getting it wrong in the topic sentence no less. I think there does need to be some way of warning readers there's something seriously wrong, particularly when the consequences won't be immediately apparent.
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I'm beginning to consider the idea of requiring a comment for any downvote, and making those votes/comments public. My spin would be to make those vote/comments part of the thread wherein they occur. This would ensure that people (me) clicking no would give some thought and not misuse the system. It would also keep the discussion contained in the thread which spawned it. I believe this would be consistent with (my understanding of) what Jeremy and the mods expect from the system. Quote:
Maybe if the person's helpful quotient is below 50%, or some other percentage, would be more realistic. |
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1) This would really detract from the main content of the thread, which I do not think is desirable. 2) The problem with this (and the general idea that the anonymity of the current system is a flaw) is that you are thinking like a well intentioned member who is not trying to game or abuse the system. In that context you are correct. In the context of someone intentionally trying to bait other members, abuse the system or just generally troll; the public display is actually an incentive to them and will help them in achieving their goal. It will also lead to animosity between some members, which will result in the forming of cliques, which is something we try very hard to avoid at LQ. --jeremy |
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