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Old 07-27-2009, 08:08 AM   #31
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Why not start a thread?
Why not try attract a cygwin dev?
Yes, why not? -- You could have started the thread posts & posts ago w/ the time you have spent on the latter part of this discussion.


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Do you need help?
(Then ask for it.)


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Shall I do this for you?
I'm not sure that is a good idea -- wouldn't it be enabling?
 
Old 07-27-2009, 06:18 PM   #32
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archtoad6, it's not clear from your post if you are coming to my defense or joining the attack.

Simon Bridge, it's often difficult to tell a person's demeanor in a post, but you are coming across as very irritated and increasingly hostile. You seem to be taking it personal that I'm not jumping on your idea for how to proceed with my quest. That makes no sense at all.

I started a thread to gather support for a forum, to see what others think, to find out if there other options. To that end you've actually been helpful to a degree.

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However, if you are wondering about the dearth of dedicated forums, then perhaps you should look to your own reluctance to do anything beyond encourage someone else to start one?
But this is a (kind of) polite version of the do it yourself and shut up response that I referenced earlier. It reveals an inexplicably unhelpful attitude for a Guru to have in a forum where people come for help.

Think about the mindset of people seeking help. They are often painfully aware of there own lack of knowledge. They want to ask a question in a friendly environment where they just get answers, not hostile responses. LinuxQuestions is generally a good place for that, but the hostility you've penned here will cause some questioners to just not get involved.

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"Prove me wrong" is not a straw man.
Yes it is.

Of course we could post our Cygwin questions in the miscellaneous forums on numerous forum sites. We don't need to be challenged to figure out that that's an option.

But that provides no focus. There's nothing named Cygwin beyond a fleeting thread title to attract the attention of people seeking answers and people willing to answer. That's the point of what we need.

And questions don't necessarily pop up when someone sees a test thread. There needs to be a designated forum to go to when they do arise.

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Well, I am assuming that anyone so passionate is at least signed up to the mailing list?
This question suggests you either haven't read what I posted or don't care to understand what's needed.

I suppose I should have just stopped responding at the first hint of unproductive hostility. Maybe I'm a sucker for this kind of debate. In any case, I'm going to try real hard to ignore any further hostile posts in this thread.
 
Old 07-27-2009, 06:28 PM   #33
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Starting a cygwin-specific thread to gauge interest is probably the best place to start. From there, if someone from the cygwin team is willing to participate we could explore the dedicated forum option. While cygwin isn't Linux distro, it is a "distribution" of sorts, so a subforum off Distributions probably makes the most sense.

--jeremy
Anyone who wishes to start a Cygwin forum needs to do this - do what Jeremy (admin/root/owner/all round nice guy) said. We have to start by gauging the interest - if you kick off a thread and no one joins, you'll know, if you get lots of responses, we'll all have our answer.

At the same time, anyone who really wants a Cygwin forum needs to contact a Cygwin dev and see if they would be interested in supporting (by providing help) a forum here - maybe they really don't want one, contact them and find out.

And please, stop arguing everyone. We have here clear suggestions/plan of attack. If anyone is serious about a Cygwin forum here, here's what to do.

And in case Cygwin isn't yet coming up clearly enough on Google - cygwin, cygwin, cygwin



And KenJackson - you've clearly wanted this since at least November 2008, wouldn't it take less effort to take up one of the forum admins on their offer to start it up if you'll take action?
 
Old 07-27-2009, 09:39 PM   #34
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I started a thread to gather support for a forum, to see what others think, to find out if there other options. To that end you've actually been helpful to a degree.
Cool - please post a link here so anyone who gets here can find it without doing an additional search.

Now we detractors can sit back and prepare to be mistaken.

However - I was thinking more along the lines of a "cygwin questions here" thread. That would provide a de-facto forum to attract people searching for cygwin answers. Please don't get me wrong, I am keen that you maximise your chances of gathering support.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 03:38 AM   #35
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I am interested in starting and taking care of a dedicated cygwin forum, at least as far as infrastructure is concerned (elsewhere).I have everything except enough cygwin knowledge to provide support, as I use it occasionally, so I need serious help. I noted the ideas here (about dev/mailing lists) and I will do so, but I would find useful to know at least if the interest here is still alive.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 05:02 AM   #36
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Still interested, Norvis. Excellent! And there were about 5 others that indicated interest early in this thead.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 05:48 AM   #37
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Excellent!
From looking at your history here and elsewhere I wondered if I should have expected anything else.


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at least as far as infrastructure is concerned (elsewhere).
After what's been offered to KenJackson here and elsewhere and his lack of proper response, and since this does not concern LQ anyway, may I suggest you take that part of the discussion off-site?
 
Old 08-03-2009, 03:10 PM   #38
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This isn't really a 'number of users' issue is it?
I can understand if LQ doesn't want to support cygwin as it runs on windows
and it seems LQ doesn't really want to support windows or any encouragement
to use it, which I can totally understand. But I can't fight reality, sometimes
I have no choice but to use a windows machine. And if you think about it so must
most cygwin users otherwise they would have already installed linux.

But look at it this way, windows is really only the 'host'. Once in cygwin/mingw,
it's really a linux world, and it is the love of that linux world that cygwin
users bother to enter it in the first place.

I would like to see this end up one of two ways;
a) LQ creating sub-forum for cygwin.
b) cygwin users creating thier own forum external to the site.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 03:49 PM   #39
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I've already explained, in detail, what it would take to get a Cygwin forum here at LQ.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-03-2009, 04:11 PM   #40
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http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...distro-513876/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...65#post3619165
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...84#post3622284
As well as these there are other posts in this too long thread describing the ways in which Cygwin users can begin the journey to getting a sub-forum here. Just posting "me too" is not getting the megathread started, is it?

If you really really really, honest guvnor want a forum here, follow the already and very kindly provided information. Otherwise we can only assume that you aren't interested in a forum here.

<aside>

For info, I ran the following search:
Search: Keyword(s): cygwin ; Forum: Linux - Newbie or Linux - Software or Linux - Games or Linux - Kernel or Linux - Hardware or Linux - Embedded or Linux - Laptop and Netbook or Linux - Mobile or Linux - Security or Linux - Server or Linux - Desktop or Linux - Networking or Linux - Wireless Networking or Linux From Scratch or Slackware or Slackware - Installation or Debian or Arch or Red Hat or Mandriva or Conectiva or VectorLinux or Fedora or Fedora - Installation or DamnSmallLinux or Linspire/Freespire or cAos or ROCK or Feather or DNALinux or Yoper or Amigo or MEPIS or Ubuntu or Suse/Novell or Puppy or Zenwalk or Grafpup or Bluewhite64 or Dreamlinux or Ultra X or Incognito or Linux Mint or Sabayon or Calculate or Gentoo or Linux - General or Linux - Enterprise or Programming or Linux User Groups (LUG) or General and child forums

I searched only the thread titles (since whole posts throw out a lot of responses such as "use cygwin" or "why use cygwin?". I received 5 pages (203 threads) of results dating from 7 March 2002 to 30 July 2009. In 7 years, there are 203 threads with the word "Cygwin" in the title.

</aside>
 
Old 08-03-2009, 06:58 PM   #41
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After what's been offered to KenJackson here and elsewhere and his lack of proper response, and since this does not concern LQ anyway, may I suggest you take that part of the discussion off-site?
Of course. I apologize if I have broken the site rules, that was by no means my intention.
If I may, I will simply invite the interested readers to send me a message for further information, as well as for the link of the currently set-up forum, where the discussion of this alternative may continue, in case people will want it.
Thank you.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 07:18 PM   #42
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No need to apologise, just a friendly nudge, no rules broken. Good luck with your new forum!
 
Old 09-08-2012, 03:19 PM   #43
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The fact - Cygwin has no forum - is probably based on low quality of the product, which degrades from release to release. They must afraid of users flooding their site with issues they have no idea for solution.

As to me, I have used older releases before and heavily exploited SSH. One day hdd gone, so I had to reinstall windows on my workstation and decided to install fresh Cygwin snapshot (like Apr 2012). SSH now works just bad, each session ends up with "connection lost". I forgot when I last pressed CTRL+D. If such a basic stuff is not working what can we expect from the rest???

Planning to switch to VNC/NX.

Last edited by perskym; 09-08-2012 at 03:21 PM.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 04:04 PM   #44
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The fact - Cygwin has no forum - is probably based on low quality of the product, which degrades from release to release. They must afraid of users flooding their site with issues they have no idea for solution.
perskym, you missed the 3-year anniversary of the last post on this thread. And you used your very first post on LinuxQuestions to trash Cygwin. That's a shame. Welcome to the site anyway.

The problem isn't Cygwin. The problem is the platform it runs on. I am awed by the team of developers that constantly strive to keep everything current, fix bugs and edge Cygwin behavior closer to the Linux ideal.

But alas, that same team of awesome developers has repeatedly made it abundantly clear that they don't like forum sites like this. They want a mailing list, and they do manage and respond quickly to a very active mailing list.

Anyone who doesn't have to use Windows should consider himself blessed. The rest of us can maintain our sanity by making heavy use of Cygwin.
 
Old 09-10-2012, 03:05 AM   #45
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perskym, you missed the 3-year anniversary of the last post on this thread. And you used your very first post on LinuxQuestions to trash Cygwin. That's a shame. Welcome to the site anyway.

The problem isn't Cygwin. The problem is the platform it runs on. I am awed by the team of developers that constantly strive to keep everything current, fix bugs and edge Cygwin behavior closer to the Linux ideal.

But alas, that same team of awesome developers has repeatedly made it abundantly clear that they don't like forum sites like this. They want a mailing list, and they do manage and respond quickly to a very active mailing list.

Anyone who doesn't have to use Windows should consider himself blessed. The rest of us can maintain our sanity by making heavy use of Cygwin.


KenJackson,

You may consider that as a "shame", as an "insolence", as a "turpitude", unfortunately it still the truth...

The reason I left my post here - I rely on that resource and the members, I have found a lot of great and useful stuff here which really helped me. The problem with Cigwin, I faced against with (ssh connection lost) is described in many other places beginning from openssh 5.6 till now (openssh 6.1). Imagine somehow it worked before! Again you may consider my words as a shame, still I think the "shame" - is to release packages with this well-know problem for 1/2 year (at least).

As to Cygwin, I use it for 7 years and it worked pretty nice and so I could say good only words for developers team. As to platform, I use WinXP SP2 on my desktop PC since SP2 has been released. The rest of boxes are running LINUX and I used Cygwin to access them.

Nowadays I have removed latest release of Cygwin and installed a legacy one. It is still the same platform, same environment, however the artifacts, I mentioned before have gone. So, you may not blame platform.

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