Be my friends. You are much better than me and us.
Not much people wouldnt say what you said.

I could be wrong if Devuan is or not a distro.

(Grin) Devuan is most certainly a distro.

And I learned a long time ago that the best way for me to deal with my mistakes is to admit them!

After all, it's July. My 2017 mistake was due .

I installed DEVUAN just a few days ago, just to give it a try, and then I installed a few other wm - window maker, fluxbox, and jwm -- I use Slack for a main, and when I was using DEVUAN I noticed a big difference in response time.

Opening firefox took a noticeable loner time to get from hit the short cut keys to it actually opening the app whereas with Slack I see a lot quicker response maybe a second at the most.

twice I installed some things, twice it got stuck unpacking sat there for over 5 minutes and still did not finish. I had to kill it then add them commands to fix it so it'd complete the install.

I do not see any improvement on its system doing whatever it is they are doing with it.

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Well my experience is different running Devuan one on 2 machines - one with XFCE and LXDE and it is rock solid. No install problems or freezing. Very happy.

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My experience with Devuan has been only in VMs, but in VMs on three different computers.

I found it worked quite nicely, but I have not tried it on bare metal. I don't have as many physical computers to throw at testing as I used to (I'm down from five to three and each one of those three has a specific usage--stuff wears out).

Correct me if im wrong but I think it's unfair to compare Slackware with Devuan since Slackware is meant is distro where you install only what you want, and nothing else. Whereas Devuan (like Debian) being a binary distro and all it's more or less ready to go out of the box, without a whole lot of configuration. I think a more fair comparison should be with Debian vs. Devuan.

I called up a computer dealer one time, to get a price on a system. He gave me his price, then I told him, but this other "guy" can give me that same system for a lesser price.

He in returned said they are not our competition. Where I immediately said to him, he sells computers just like you, therefore he is to your competition.

Slackware too is a install ready to go out of the box distro. everything one needs to operate it is already installed without a whole lot of configuration. Yes one can tell slack to not install this or that, but I do a full install. then add my little whatnots I want to it.

this was a fresh install of Devuan which from what I read is just Debian back before it had systemD.

I ran into glitches, and seen how much slower it is on my laptop in comparison to another Linux os.

Slackware runs binary apps too. it all gets to binary eventually. A system that installs only binary apps is just cutting out the middle part of compiling it after it gets out on the system then installing it. not much difference there.


all I was stating was a fact, that Slackware on my laptop is still faster then Devuan. it is Linux vs Linux minus the systemd -- and Slackware won in my book.

It would be interesting if you compared Slackware with Debian, I'd bet you get the same results... Since their both just Debian.

No they'd both be Slackware, because Slackware was first, or before Debian. Slackware is the longest running Linux/GNU around.

Two many hands in the doe spoil the cookies.

There's opinions and Debian(, for over 2@ years here now )!

Your welcome "Devuan..."

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post5739294

This was always my observation when it came to "Slackware vs Debian" - Slackware always seemed to give better desktop performance. This may have been down to some kernel optimisations, such as higher tick rate, etc. Debian was more geared towards servers.

so .. why are people using it for a desktop? and why are people using Slack for servers? seems just a strange justification to make such distinctions between the two. Especially when they both and all Linux distors can be used for both. This too is why I do not buy into the distos that say are for a certain usage. when one can make theirs the same way just by what they install in it, and how they set it up. It's all Linux/GNU.

They only distinctions would be them that take away root account, (hide it) when it is their for a reason, who are they to say it is better they, you do not have the need for this capability, so we will hide it away from you"? because one cannot completely remove root user - it is a very needed user. but some distro's try to be the user mind - and tell them do not touch - here use the scissors with the rounded edges. when they too can still do the same damage.

even when it comes that they do in fact need to use root, they now have to jump through hoops (grub2) to get to it, etc..

I installed the Debian knock off twice and got the same results. as far as the speed, ok it is more bloated with whatever's so one has to wait a few more seconds for something to start, but for it to hang in the using an install of an app. to where it gets to that point of just kill it then do damage control on it.

as whats his name (trump) would say, not good.

that was my first, and second experience with it, and having came from a disto that has been around long enough to not have these issues - especially the hangs when installing, not good.

Just to add a bit of info, here are the distros that have a separate forum here along with their position on the current distrowatch.com top 100 page hit ranking table (I know, far from a scientific sampling of a distro's use):

Linux Mint (1), Debian (2), Manjaro (3), Ubuntu (4), SUSE/openSUSE (6), Linux Deepin (7), Fedora (8), Zorin OS (9), elementary OS (10), CentOS (13), Arch (14), Mageia (19), Puppy (24), Slackware (32), Bodhi (37), Gentoo (41), Red Hat (47), Sabayon (50), 4MLinux (57), Studio 13.37 (60), Zenwalk (77), Mandriva (78), Calculate (83), VectorLinux (89), AryaLinux (100).

Not listed in the table (as far as I can see but I merely text searched for the distro name): Linux From Scratch, DamnSmallLinux, MEPIS, Incognito, NetSecL, Dragora GNU/Linux-Libre, Microlinux/MLED, Bedrock Linux, PrathamOS.

I'm assuming that LQ offers a separate forum for a distro if (a) it is of major use/importance, or (b) it is a lesser used distro but either the distro wants to use LQ as its official forum, or there is no other forum around and the distro has folk who are willing to spend time to make sure that the forum on LQ is serviced.

So, Devuan at 43, although rising, wouldn't necessarily merit a forum of its own on the above data, unless it was designated the Devuan official forum.

However, if the differences between Devuan and Debian are going to remain at systemd, then perhaps a Debian/Devuan forum would be a good idea? In saying that though, can a forum name be changed without a great deal of knock-on effects regarding previous posts in that forum? Somehow I doubt it.

Please don't assume, as the parameters for having a distro forum at LQ have been clearly described multiple times. Any distribution is welcome to have a distro forum as long as someone officially associated with the distro participates and they are willing to agree to a couple very simple guidelines.

--jeremy

Ah, didn't know that. Thanks.