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Old 01-11-2012, 10:52 AM   #1
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An Appeal to the Moderator Team


I just want to propose, assuming the interest of the moderating team in fairness to all members, that you allow "General" threads to live, regardless of their controversial nature (short of direct personal attack, blatent profanity, and the like).

Specifically, moving all "religious" threads to "Rank your Religiosity," in effect censors and leaves out all mature Christians, who would neither take it upon themselves to "rank" their own "religiousness," nor quite honestly regard a thread by that title. Please reconsider your fairness in this regard.

Last edited by bluegospel; 01-11-2012 at 10:57 AM. Reason: "s" in consider; requalify "direct attack" as "direct personal attack"; change "all devoted Christians" to "all mature"
 
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:10 AM   #2
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Look at the LQ Social Groups, there is one for Christians where you can discuss your faith with no interference from us blasphemers.
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:12 AM   #3
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Look at the LQ Social Groups, there is one for Christians where you can discuss your faith with no interference from us blasphemers.
No offense, but that's more like segregation. I actually like being around unbelievers too. I don't really see things as religious and secular. These are life issues pertaining to everyone.

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Old 01-11-2012, 11:15 AM   #4
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I just want to propose, assuming the interest of the moderating team in fairness to all members, that you allow "General" threads to live, regardless of their controversial nature (short of direct personal attack, blatent profanity, and the like).
They already DO let general threads 'live'...can you not see them, even the very old ones??
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Specifically, moving all "religious" threads to "Rank your Religiosity," in effect censors and leaves out all mature Christians, who would neither take it upon themselves to "rank" their own "religiousness," nor quite honestly regard a thread by that title. Please reconsider your fairness in this regard.
Bit of a logic-disconnect here:
  • Moving (merging) threads doesn't 'censor' or edit anything. Similar/identical threads are merged all the time in EVERY forum on this site, why should this one be different?
  • If 'mature Christians' won't regard that thread by the title...it's amusing that you, yourself, post in it.
Also, why did you feel the need to post a public comment to the moderators at all, and why in the "General" category?? There is the "LQ Suggestions & Feedback" forum, specifically for this. If you wanted to send a direct comment to the moderators, you can click "Contact Us" at the bottom of every page, or private-message ANY of the moderators directly.
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:21 AM   #5
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No offense, but that's more like segregation. I actually like being around unbelievers too. I don't really see things as religious and secular. These are life issues pertaining to everyone.
Please don't wonder why many consider you a troll here. There is a forum for what you want to discuss, and when you post off-topic items in forums where it doesn't belong, that's not a good thing.

And to be very clear, these aren't 'life issues pertaining to everyone'. The reason? Religion isn't a part of everyone's life, is it? Which brings us back to posting things where it's not appropriate, etc. You're a christian? Great...if anyone asks, feel free to regale them with stories and testimonies. Otherwise, can you please stay on topic???
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:26 AM   #6
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[*]If 'mature Christians' won't regard that thread by the title...it's amusing that you, yourself, post in it.
If you haven't noticed, every thread I post here having to do with faith is merged to the "mega-religion," thread, so it's not as if I have another option, except to shut-up.

Also, why did you feel the need to post a public comment to the moderators at all, and why in the "General" category?? There is the "LQ Suggestions & Feedback" forum, specifically for this. If you wanted to send a direct comment to the moderators, you can click "Contact Us" at the bottom of every page, or private-message ANY of the moderators directly.[/QUOTE]

This is not a request, but an appeal, which I think should be public.
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:29 AM   #7
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Identical threads are usually closed or merged so as to keep the discussion in one place. Censorship would involve us deleting the thread and your account and denying that you were ever here. There is, believe it or not, a subtle difference.

As you are Suggesting a change to LQ, in essence, providing us with real Feedback on this issue, I have moved your thread to a more appropriate place.
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:31 AM   #8
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Please don't wonder why many consider you a troll here. There is a forum for what you want to discuss, and when you post off-topic items in forums where it doesn't belong, that's not a good thing.

And to be very clear, these aren't 'life issues pertaining to everyone'. The reason? Religion isn't a part of everyone's life, is it? Which brings us back to posting things where it's not appropriate, etc. You're a christian? Great...if anyone asks, feel free to regale them with stories and testimonies. Otherwise, can you please stay on topic???
Oh, so faith is "less general," and a lesser part of "everyone's life," than, just as one example, marijuana?
 
Old 01-11-2012, 11:38 AM   #9
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I doubt that there is an issue with anyone noticing a religion post - there are, after all, almost 4000 posts in that thread. LQ is not a religious forum, the Genereal forum is simply a place to have off-topic and (broadly speaking) less moderated chat. However, judging by the number of threads started by you that we have merged in to the megathread (and the megathreads are designed for just this), you would rather flood General with a multitude or plethora of random religion chat?

In the same way that non-technical Windows threads join their brethren in the megathread dedicated to that OS, religion threads will sit with their friends in their own area.
 
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:36 PM   #10
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I think the main problem here is that it is impossible to stay on topic and flame-free when discussing such things. I agree with moving such things into one mega thread full of flame and plenty off-topic.

My only complaint is that although there is a religion and M$ megathread, I don't know of any politics megathread. I won't bother starting one tho, I want to say away from it.
 
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:47 PM   #11
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Oh, so faith is "less general," and a lesser part of "everyone's life," than, just as one example, marijuana?
Second time you've mentioned this, and I still fail to see your point. Would you care to make it plain, since I'm missing it?? Are you implying that I'm pro-marijuana? Have I done or said ANYTHING to lead you to that conclusion?

Again, it is MY opinion that LinuxQuestions should be about LINUX. But, this is not my board, and the moderators do an outstanding job of keeping off-topic conversations civil and ongoing, and stepping in when they're not. General is the board where anything is tolerated...if you want to post to the moderators, doing it publicly is (again) troll-like behavior, since this thread serves NO PURPOSE, except give you another opportunity to bring up religion. Want to talk about it? Take it to the appropriate forum/board/site/whatever.

YOU said, it's part of everyone's life. The fact is, it is NOT part of everyone's life, just like anything else, except breathing and eating. I could say "auto maintenance affects EVERYONE", but it's not true. It only affects those that have cars. It may be important TO ME, but I'm not naive enough to think it applies to everyone.
 
Old 01-11-2012, 12:48 PM   #12
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Is your real objection that this makes it easier for people to ignore your evangelizing?
 
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:50 PM   #13
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If you haven't noticed, every thread I post here having to do with faith is merged to the "mega-religion," thread, so it's not as if I have another option, except to shut-up.
Again, since you apparently have reading-comprehension issues, identical threads are usually ALWAYS merged, regardless of category. Again, why should yours be special?? And have you considered that shutting-up would be a good thing, since you're talking about something off-topic, in the wrong forum??
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This is not a request, but an appeal, which I think should be public.
Again, WHY should it be public? And if you wanted it public, why did you address it to the moderators personally??
 
Old 01-11-2012, 12:54 PM   #14
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Is your real objection that this makes it easier for people to ignore your evangelizing?
Couldn't have put it better....
 
Old 01-11-2012, 01:01 PM   #15
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Identical threads are usually closed or merged so as to keep the discussion in one place. Censorship would involve us deleting the thread and your account and denying that you were ever here. There is, believe it or not, a subtle difference.

As you are Suggesting a change to LQ, in essence, providing us with real Feedback on this issue, I have moved your thread to a more appropriate place.
Respectfully, how are serious questions about faith, with an aim to engage people of all walks of life, "identical" to the mega-religion thread? You can at least let 2 or 3 other faith threads live, that gather attention from the community. Not every religious topic fits nicely into "Rank your Religion." I'd have never looked there had my posts not been merged there, and I think many Christians would do likewise.
 
  


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