admin: I think this place needs a forum or subforum for "systemD"!

Originally Posted by husten Second "what if 'my-top-favourite-linux-distro' adopts systemd?" - this train has already left the station. it has happened for most of us.

You have a choice. While users feel otherwise and especially when they feel compelled to just lie down and accept crap/accept crap and complain impotently about crap and treat the software as a "service", software like systemd is the obvious conclusion.

Originally Posted by husten For me systemd is still myterious and I run into - for me- unsolvable problems. I am not a professional. For instance my current problem: "WatchdocSec" - does it just check and report status back to some other service ? or will it force restart the service file it is written in? The manual are 100s of pages, versions change frequently....

If you need to understand it to that level, then you probably do need to read the documentation.

I searched for "systemd" watchdogsec" using three different search engines and have to admit that the results weren't great. This was about the best of a bad lot...

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/...d.service.html

One of the other results was an out of date '0pointer.de' blog article for 'administrators' which was a typically worthless propaganda/advocacy fap-fest as with most articles on that site and from that author.

I have had a lot of problems with debian testing that boil down i think to systemd problems. The init system losing partitions and not mounting them, lots of "start job running for dev-sd$" etc. The network not working based on i think systemd not being able to find drive partitions (dependencies, dependencies, dependencies), lots of "stop jobs running for $whateverervice".
There are technical issues (and what else is it about in free software other than whether or not it works better than alternatives?) that arent being talked about here because of a forum bias in favor of systemd.

Originally Posted by fogpipe There are technical issues (and what else is it about in free software other than whether or not it works better than alternatives?) that arent being talked about here because of a forum bias in favor of systemd.

LQ does not officially have a bias, for or against, any distro/system component/application/whatever. We never have and work hard to ensure that's the case.

--jeremy

Originally Posted by fogpipe [systemd alternatives] arent being talked about here because of a forum bias in favor of systemd.

In all fairness, shutting down multiple pages of hand wringing, ranting and raving does not really constitute a "forum bias".

Originally Posted by fogpipe I have had a lot of problems with debian testing that boil down i think to systemd problems. The init system losing partitions and not mounting them, lots of "start job running for dev-sd$" etc. The network not working based on i think systemd not being able to find drive partitions (dependencies, dependencies, dependencies), lots of "stop jobs running for $whateverervice". There are technical issues (and what else is it about in free software other than whether or not it works better than alternatives?) that arent being talked about here because of a forum bias in favor of systemd.

Hah quoting myself i love it!

Anyway maybe i was a little hasty. Installed debian stable 8.2 and so far nothing odd weird or bad has happened with systemd or otherwise. The init scripts section looks different, unfamiliar, but so far its booting ok and the only real difference is that UUIDs for block devices seem to be what the system likes, which is ok, as long as i can still find them.
Anyway so far so good with systemd and jessie, i dont like it, building dependency trees so that one failure wipes out everything below it in the chain, seems to me like just multplying the number of possible gotchas, but like i said so far so good.

EDIT: I think my problems with debian testing might have been systemd and i dont seem to be the only one having them.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user.../msg01366.html