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You should know if it is helpful or not. If it is give credit where it is due, if it is not then don't. Taking it back indicates the person taking it back either hasn't got a clue or has some problem with the individual they gave it to (after the fact) in which case growing up may be a better option.
Taking it back indicates the person taking it back either hasn't got a clue or has some problem with the individual they gave it to (after the fact)
Or maybe their mouse slipped while trying to hit the quote button.
In general, I think making things undoable is good, but it's hardly a very serious problem if a few posts are mistakenly marked helpful; this one is pretty far down the priority list.
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k3lt01,
Accidents and misclicks easily happen to all of us. Please remember that if you can't say something constructive here at LQ then you shouldn't be posting it. Thanks.
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I am well aware misclicks etc. happen however I wonder how a mouse slip is a valid excuse (it wasn't from the OP and it was hypothetical) and and then suggesting getting a better grip on said mouse is not constructive advice. If offense was taken at my previous post then I tender an apology.
Accidents and misclicks easily happen to all of us. Please remember that if you can't say something constructive here at LQ then you shouldn't be posting it. Thanks.
--jeremy
I would rather like to help people to take care about their [mice's] steps. I do not really know which one is the more constructive approach.
From the other hand if the post itself could be edited (therefore deleted) later ...
Mis-clicks? There is a BIG quote button above a small yes. Accidentally clicking the latter is carelessness. That is not an insult. Not being careful with the mouse is not a crime. However, adding the ability to remove an action because of it, is catering to, and reinforcing such behaviour. Not having that ability forces people to be more careful.
However, adding the ability to remove an action because of it, is catering to, and reinforcing such behaviour. Not having that ability forces people to be more careful.
A newbie might become confused and/or mislead if he finds
an unhelpful post mistakenly marked helpful, hence IMO it
is necessary to have an undo facility w.r.t the helpful button.
Last edited by Aquarius_Girl; 11-20-2013 at 03:20 AM.
Reason: added the word `mistakenly` to make the post `more` obvious
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A newbie might become confused and/or mislead if he finds
an unhelpful post marked helpful, hence IMO it is necessary
to have an undo facility w.r.t the helpful button.
It is up to the individual to mark a post as helpful if they see fit to mark it as such. If it is helpful to the individual then they have an option to give credit for what they find helpful. It is no use someone else thinking that post can in no way be helpful therefor there should be an option to "un-mark" it.
It pretty much comes down to knowing if it is helpful or not before you mark it as such. If it was give it the credit it is due as a form of "thanks", if it isn't then don't mark it as such (of course not forgetting touchpads and mice sometimes to their own thing or someone isn't holding it properly).
In other words what is helpful for some, and is marked as such, should not be "un-marked" just because a newbie thinks it couldn't possibly be helpful.
If it is give credit where it is due, if it is not then don't.
This is obvious.
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Taking it back indicates the person taking it back either hasn't got a clue or has some problem with the individual they gave it to (after the fact) in which case growing up may be a better option.
According to you only two reasons are possible (and later you also agreed to "misclicks etc."). I'll give one more reason. I clicked on "find this post helpful" for a reply to my question thinking that a useful information is written in it and so it can be helpful to others. My decision was also influenced by the fact that the person has posted trying to resolve my question. Later I thought that it'll be better if I only see whether it helps me, and if it helps someone else then he can click on the link himself.
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or has some problem with the individual they gave it to (after the fact) in which case growing up may be a better option.
You shouldn't construct sentences this way. Example if I say:
k3lt01, in case you're using such negative language because of lack of self-esteem then you can try thinking better about yourself.
k3lt01, in case you're talking illogically because of foggy brain then you should eat healthy and exercise more.
Whether I use "in case", the statements are still harsh.
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growing up may be a better option
You're saying "growing up" is a better option than undoing a click. There's no competition between these two options that you can compare them.
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Or maybe their mouse slipped while trying to hit the quote button.
Thanks for showing k3lt01 a different possibility.
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Originally Posted by ntubski
In general, I think making things undoable is good,
Thanks again.
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this one is pretty far down the priority list.
Are you part of the admin team and in authority to decide the priority list of different feature request?
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Get a better grip!
Mouse slips do happen. If one is moving his mouse from one point to a small area on screen with speed then it's difficult to make the landing perfect. Mouse also sometimes slip when clicking, especially when clicking on touch pad. How can one have a better grip on touch pad? On hand held mouse also for efficiency people hold it lightly and not tightly grip it.
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I wonder how a mouse slip is a valid excuse
If wrong button is clicked due to a mouse slip then that's a "reason" and not an "excuse". You're showing an inclination to use negative words.
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Excuses can always be made, and unfortunately often are, for things that are of little importance.
Are you writing a book of quotations? How's this related to what's being talked about?
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I would rather like to help people to take care about their [mice's] steps. I do not really know which one is the more constructive approach.
From the other hand if the post itself could be edited (therefore deleted) later ...
I'm not sure what you mean. How can you "help people to take care about their [mice's] steps"? Who will be interested to receive such help?
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However, adding the ability to remove an action because of it, is catering to, and reinforcing such behaviour. Not having that ability forces people to be more careful.
I respect your point of view. But then do you think that LinuxQuestions shouldn't also have the ability to edit post? Also do you think that ability to undo "like" shouldn't be there on Facebook, also ability to delete the posts (not talking about comments)?
Last edited by tyko; 11-20-2013 at 05:16 AM.
Reason: Misread ntubski's post.
I'm not sure what you mean. How can you "help people to take care about their [mice's] steps"? Who will be interested to receive such help?
That is a very hard question I think, it means (more or less) to help(force) them to be sober-minded, prudent or cautious. Everyone is interested in it, but noone likes restrictions.
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I can't gain anything from this sentence.
If it is advice to do something then try it, if it is helpful mark the post as helpful. It is not logical to just mark things as helpful if you don't know they are helpful.
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According to you only two reasons are possible (and later you also agreed to "misclicks etc.").
No there are a myriad of reasons but I gave 2 possibilities. Is that a problem or do you really want me to spell out each and every possible option there is?
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Originally Posted by tyko
You shouldn't construct sentences this way.
I'll construct sentences any way I see fit. I'm not the one making suggestions based on the fact I don't know if something is helpful or not.
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Example if I say:
k3lt01, in case you're using such negative language because of lack of self-esteem then you can try thinking better about yourself.
k3lt01, in case you're talking illogically because of foggy brain then you should eat healthy and exercise more.
Whether I use "in case", the statements are still harsh.
Not a valid comparison and you really shouldn't go off track like that just to attempt a personal insult that didn't work. The issue at hand is you made a suggestion based on, now you have given your own example, the fact you marked something as helpful without knowing if it was or not. Your mistake not anyone else's so my suggestion still stands that if you are going to deliberately mark something as helpful (in other words no slip of a mouse or other accidents) you really need to know if it is helpful or not. Creating work for others by asking for something to be made available to you just because you really didn't know if it was actually helpful or not is, as Randicus points out, reinforcing the fact that you don't want to be more careful.
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You're saying "growing up" is a better option than undoing a click. There's no competition between these two options that you can compare them.
We had cases here before where there was a "no" link where people marked posts as unhelpful just because of who made the posts. Suggesting there is no competition merely indicates you were unaware that some people in LQ are vindictive.
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Mouse slips do happen.
Yes they do, I acknowledged that which you already know.
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If one is moving his mouse from one point to a small area on screen with speed then it's difficult to make the landing perfect.
Unless the individual in question has a problem of some sort then it is unlikely that using a mouse can be given the description of landing an airplane.
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Originally Posted by tyko
Mouse also sometimes slip when clicking, especially when clicking on touch pad. How can one have a better grip on touch pad? On hand held mouse also for efficiency people hold it lightly and not tightly grip it.
Now you are making excuses.
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Originally Posted by tyko
If wrong button is clicked due to a mouse slip then that's a "reason" and not an "excuse". You're showing an inclination to use negative words.
Is it any wonder I really don't care how you put it. You have exaggerated by describing using a mouse as landing a plane.
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Are you writing a book of quotations?
Nope.
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How's this related to what's being talked about?
It was in reply to another person but it basically means if you make an excuse like that then the issue is probably of little consequence. I might add that at least one other person thinks it is low on the priority list. And by the way he isn't in charge but Jeremy is.
I have one suggestion before you respond which you will inevitably do, instead of this thread it may just have been easier to ask a moderator to remove the "Yes I thought it was helpful"
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