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Old 11-09-2008, 07:47 PM   #1
Oditius
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Hi, new Linux wannabe here.


I decided to play with Linux for a while. I have tried Utunbu 8.10 and wasn't too happy with that. I ordered Linux Xp 2009 Edition from a seller on eBay, lucky it didn't cost too much because I can't seem to find very much info about it. I have a Dell XPS M1730 and what I am worried about is temperatures. I have i8k on the VISTA drive. But for some reason adding it to Linux seems to me more complicated then just installing it. I couldn't even find the install file. I think it's called i8kmon or something. Well when it comes in I will install it and see what I it can do.
 
Old 11-09-2008, 08:58 PM   #2
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welcome to the club. Vista is a great OS it drove me to become 100% linux... From my experiance Vista does not like living with linux. Since you didnt like Umbuntu I suggest Fedora for most laptops. One of the best parts of it as an OS is its support for Wi-Fi
 
Old 11-09-2008, 09:18 PM   #3
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Thanks, I will give it a try if the one I purchased doesn't work out either. My lap top has 2 (200gb) hard drives. I unplug the Vista drive so I don't create a "dual boot" setup in Vista. So I keep experimenting on different scenarios. I like Vista Ultimate, and have no problems with it. Runs faster than XP ever did, and I like all the toys. But I have it running so well, I got bored. So to keep my interest peaked, I decided to try Linux as a challenge.
 
Old 11-14-2008, 08:12 PM   #4
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I am still puzzled

I tried Fedora, but when it is done installing and I boot up, all I get a DOS prompt. My laptop (Dell XPS M1730) has two 200gb hard drives, I unplugged Drive0 (Vista) booted to the DVD, installed Fedora on drive1. When installed, I plugged back in the Drive0 and booted up. I selected the F12 and choose the second internal drive (Drive1 <fedora>. But it did was load to a DOS prompt. I obviously did something wrong. I did try and read the help forums, but they start talking in a strange language. I guess I have been using Windows too long, funny thing is, when 3.11 came out I didn't like windows, I stuck with DOS till version 95.
 
Old 11-14-2008, 09:00 PM   #5
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Quote:
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I tried Fedora, but when it is done installing and I boot up, all I get a DOS prompt. My laptop (Dell XPS M1730) has two 200gb hard drives, I unplugged Drive0 (Vista) booted to the DVD, installed Fedora on drive1. When installed, I plugged back in the Drive0 and booted up. I selected the F12 and choose the second internal drive (Drive1 <fedora>. But it did was load to a DOS prompt. I obviously did something wrong. I did try and read the help forums, but they start talking in a strange language. I guess I have been using Windows too long, funny thing is, when 3.11 came out I didn't like windows, I stuck with DOS till version 95.
I did the same thing, avoided 3.11 like the plague.

You might not have done anything wrong at all, some distros just don't like some hardware. Chances are X crashed and dumped you to the command line.

Anyhow instead of installing distros you might just try a few from a live CD/DVD environment. Sorry if you already know this but with a live CD you don't even need a hard drive in your system, everything runs from the CD and RAM so no hard drive space is needed what so ever. Most distros these days will run from a live CD or DVD. Download a few and see which work best with your hardware.

I used this method and that is why I run Sabayon and Puppy. Both are fast and work well with my hardware. Since your hardware is different you may end up with a different favorite distro, which is perfectly fine.

Go to Distrowatch and pick a few that look interesting to you.

http://distrowatch.com/
 
Old 11-15-2008, 07:04 AM   #6
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Thanks, I think Linux is cool, but sometimes it can get frustrating, and even discouraging to use. I need to learn a little more about it. I don't believe that I will use Linux as my main OS, but you never know.
 
Old 01-18-2009, 10:53 AM   #7
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Hi...new newb here. I've tried several distros on my m1730 and can only manage to boot into Linux on a liveCD. Whenever I try a windows install I fall into Busybox Inframs after 'end of device' errors. Have already set the bios to ATA. Am adding all_generic_ide pci=nomsi irqpoll but still no luck. If I try to install from within Lin after a boot from the liveCD the partition manager isn't seeing any of the partitions even though there are 2 formatted Fat32.

I've been combing the forums for help but still no luck.

If anyone has a bone to throw me on this problem-please do.

K
 
Old 01-18-2009, 08:25 PM   #8
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Hi and thanks!

Just a quick hi. Loved Ubuntu Gutsy and recently decided to upgrade to Intrepid. Still like Linux for its stability and power. Have XP and Vista as well. Linux challenges me -- I like the geeky things one must do sometimes to make something work under Linux. Winblows is popular because it allows people to sit down and get things done with mostly no problems. Linux is just sometimes to technically involved for part-time 'puter users. Me I think having the best of all worlds is the answer. Thanks to all those that help me fix things when I break it.
 
Old 01-19-2009, 08:24 AM   #9
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Puppy http://www.puppylinux.org/downloads/...uppy-linux-412
for speed, small footprint, older pcs etc. OpenSuse http://www.opensuse.org/en/ as Windows replacement.

Artie
 
Old 01-20-2009, 12:39 PM   #10
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I tried Fedora, but when it is done installing and I boot up, all I get a DOS prompt. My laptop (Dell XPS M1730) has two 200gb hard drives, I unplugged Drive0 (Vista) booted to the DVD, installed Fedora on drive1. When installed, I plugged back in the Drive0 and booted up. I selected the F12 and choose the second internal drive (Drive1 <fedora>. But it did was load to a DOS prompt. I obviously did something wrong. I did try and read the help forums, but they start talking in a strange language. I guess I have been using Windows too long, funny thing is, when 3.11 came out I didn't like windows, I stuck with DOS till version 95.
Hi Oditius,
I just installed Fedora 9 on a Dell D620 and got something similar to what you describe - The screen flashes a dozen times or so as tries different display drivers and then leaves you at a login prompt.
I my case the NVida Quadro Display device was not supported.
The way I fixed it was to download NVidia's Linux Driver, and install it.

At that command prompt, you can login as 'root', using the password you defined during the setup, and then start 'links' - a text based web browser and if your networkcard/router is detected ok, you can browse to the Display Adaptor vendors support site and down load their driver or you could download it on a windoze machine from here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

I selected the latest version IA32 from here:
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree8...80.22-pkg1.run

I found that I had to install gcc and kernel libraries before the NVida package would run to completion - like this:
yum install gcc
yum install kernel-devel

and then run the NVidia installer from the folder it downloaded to (root's home folder) like this:
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.22-pkg1.run

Its a text based installer, pretty easy to figure out and after the re-boot everything worked well.

It might also be that you are seeing the 'grub' boot manager prompt in which case the above will not be relevant.

There is a way of doing a find using grub, to see where to boot from, then you can type in the startup line - if it works, you can edit the grub menu on the boot device to keep the changes.

I hope this is helpful.
 
Old 01-21-2009, 11:37 PM   #11
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Cool My progress so far with Dell m1730

Quote:
Originally Posted by kzip13 View Post
Hi...new newb here. I've tried several distros on my m1730 and can only manage to boot into Linux on a liveCD. Whenever I try a windows install I fall into Busybox Inframs after 'end of device' errors. Have already set the bios to ATA. Am adding all_generic_ide pci=nomsi irqpoll but still no luck. If I try to install from within Lin after a boot from the liveCD the partition manager isn't seeing any of the partitions even though there are 2 formatted Fat32.

I've been combing the forums for help but still no luck.

If anyone has a bone to throw me on this problem-please do.

K
So after trying several times to install Linux with the Vista partition left as is I made the decision to plunge.

I downloaded Sabayon 4oh and could boot onto the liveCD, started the instal and began hearing the CDrom get stuck in a loop trying to read a file. It would hang for minutes then continue. When it reached 42% it hung and wouldn't continue. When I rebooted and tried another fresh install the same thing. Then I rebooted and went for the 'repaired installation' and it started working. Now I had no drive errors. It seemed to me that on the visual installation the device driver for the DVD was a better match or on the liveCD there was some kind of a driver conflict. "Dev's might want to check into this"

Now after 4 hours of loading I got a 'congrats' maybe for being so darn patient??? The system then rebooted and came screeching to a halt at grub_

Now I have been working on the fix for grub but still to no avail.** I haven't successfully gotten the grub superdisk loaded onto my usb key so haven't been able to follow that course. I'm closer though.

It seems to me that if grub has this common error with reading the drive position incorrectly, that there could be a build in configuration on the installer aka 'instal bootloader only advanced config' another suggestion for dev's

I'm anxious to get the real system up and running so I can begin to work out the minor bugs. by the way everything worked when booting with the liveCD that I have been able to check. Video had minor glitches when viewing streaming media-suspect a driver configuration issue.

My System
  • Dell XPS M1730
  • Dual Nvidia 8800 1GB sli
  • Dual ata 200GB Raid ATA
  • 4GB RAM
  • UJ-110 DVD blu-ray

**If there is anyone that could assist me with this grub issue by remote console or instant messenger I would be very grateful to get my sytem up and flying.

Thanks for the feedback
 
  


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