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Old 08-25-2005, 09:21 AM   #46
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Originally posted by echo77
My intention is NOT to do that. I am aiming at people who want an easy way out. I am aiming at getting Linux into small home/office networks without bringing in too much technicality. I want them to switch from Windoze to Linux. There are too many people out there who want to use GUI and DON'T want to use the terminal. Many of them don't switch to Linux because they think everything needs to be configured via the terminal.
I agree with you 100% and a very good tutoral. Thanks.

I wasn't able to get this to work on my network but I think the reason is I'm using DHCP. Can this tutoral be done using DHCP?

This my network setup:

Internet is connected to DSL box.

DSL is connected to Netgear Router which gives out IPs to a Netgear switch.

Four WinXP Pro systems and two SuSe Linux 9.3 systems are connected to the switch.

All systems can connect to the Internet.

This is what I need.

Keep the abilty to connect all systems to the internet.

Be able to share files between all systems.

Be able to share an Epson printer betweeb all systems the printer is connected to one of the XP boxes and is set to share.

Would some please help me to do this using SuSe Linux 9.3 and Yast.

Thanks.

Carl
 
Old 08-25-2005, 01:15 PM   #47
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Haven't used Suse ever - i stick to Fedora for the sake of continuity and thus, simplicity. (I don't like the idea of having so many types of Linux and poor old common computer user doesn't even know which one is best for him till he tries each one out - something he doesn't want to do or waste time on.)

My setup didn't succeed with DHCP, so I went with manual config.

You can try it out with DHCP, and if it works put up a tutorial yourself - it took me much less time to write the tute than to setup the things. You could be a great help to others if you do so.

Thanks!
 
Old 12-06-2005, 08:47 AM   #48
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Dear all and specially echo77,
Please continue this fantastic topic and complete the article. Bebo seemed to indicate the solution for accessing the internet from 'Jerry'. Why don't bebo help echo77 to finish the article.
Can't wait more to see the whole solution!!
Take care, thanks.
 
Old 01-21-2006, 06:44 PM   #49
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I like GUIs

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Originally Posted by AiKi
Hi
Nice try echo77 but i think you are using windows for to much time..
I`m sure you can write a tutorial to do the lan without using GUIs.. i`ll
be waiting for that tutorial...

Keep the good work... cya

I happen to like GUIs because I type 10 words a minute. While I can program in 4 programming languages and have for 30 years, I am not a computer professional.

I don't mean this to be a criticism of your post but an attempt to help you understand the vast majority of the rest of us, who don't want to spend time fixing our computers.

I want to thank Echo77 for creating a tutorial for the very people that LINUX guru's are trying to reach. I laugh at magazine articles claiming "this will be the year of the LINUX desktop" because so many of the highly skilled and knowledgable LINUX people don't understand that those of us for whom the computer is simply a tool, do not want to mess around on the command line!!

Every second that I have to spend to configure my computer I cannot do what I really want to do . LINUX will never be viable as a desktop machine for the vast majority of non-computer professionals until they can setup everything using just the GUI. By the way, this is from a guy who didn't give up CPM and DOS until long after Windows became available, then cried like a baby when I did because of the loss of control. But now that I have gotten used to the GUI, I am glad I did, because its a real time saver.

So please don't berate echo77 just because he had the foresight, and the compassion for dummies like me, to provide help for those of us, who LINUX gurus seem to want to woo over to LINUX (according to the magazines), but who's needs they can't seem to understand. They want us to use LINUX but they want us to use LINUX the way they want us to, not the way we want to.

I am now on my fourth day trying to setup Qwest DSl so I can use LINUX!! And I have had to read 200 pages of how-to's so far, much of which I didn't understand well enough to actually implement (because of arcane references and an expectation that the people reading the how-tos are familiar with all the technical details). Of course this is Qwest's fault not LINUX's, but the net result is the same. Like Echo77 says, you have to read part of one HOW-TO, then another, then another, just to understand the first one.

If I can't get it done, then LINUX will come off my computer for at least another year. A Qwest DSl setup wizard (or a step-by-step tutorial) sure would be nice for us noncomputer people.

I read some of echo77s posts and he really understands the user!

Last edited by Mikech; 12-27-2011 at 07:32 PM.
 
Old 02-02-2006, 10:21 AM   #50
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Thanks, chochoms!
 
Old 02-02-2006, 08:15 PM   #51
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Red face Got it all working without the command line - almost

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Old 03-08-2006, 07:31 PM   #52
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grr. If you have them connected to each other with a crossover cable you won't be connecting to the internet at all. Duh. Nothing against the author who has already stated at least once that he has not had the time to finish. I found some of these things quite usefull if for no other reason pointing out some of the gui utils that I don't have installed. I even found that I didn't have my httpd conf tool installed while I was kicking around. It may be healthy to learn cli but I am with the author in that using some simple tools is going to turn on more users to linux. I have not spent much time (until lately) jacking around with apache even though I have been running linux since '96 or '97. I have spent about freaking 10 hours trying to get some crap conf'd that I could have probably done in 10 minutes with gui. The bottom line is that cli gives you a lot more precise control and gui gives you overall functionality. People new to linux need to get their boxes running and then they can learn about all the wonderfull world of writing handy little scripts and digging through miles of code for little quirks and optimizations. I think that this is a step in the right direction. We need more tools like this especially for people who are knee-deep into their first installs and are questioning wether or not linux is right for them.

pardon me for being a little crazy, I've been awake for 3 days.
am I even using englixh andey moar ayme luzin gnu IT!
theres that ringun saund agen/etc/fstab samba dee.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:46 PM   #53
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Yea, I sympathize. Every freaking little thing in LINUX takes 8 or more hours. And I know far more computer stuff than most users (though very little UNIX) so it must be horrible for less knowledgable users. I once spent two days trying to install one program. I finally decided I would do the work in Windows.

What drives me is a passion for privacy - not letting the corporations own and control my computer with hidden code that calls home. Its amazing how just about every program now has some hidden little thing that calls home. My firewall blinks like a fire engine whenever I run software on my windows computer, even after running 3 diffferent anti-spyware programs. But we pay for that control dearly if we want to change any configurations in LINUX!!
 
Old 03-10-2006, 11:33 AM   #54
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Well, I haven't run windows on any computer in my house for a couple of years. It does get easier. Especially in user space. The user space side has really taken up the 'user friendly' banner in the last few years. I think that Mac going to essentially a UNIX platform (OSX) with a lot of Linux support is going to drive this even more. The things that are still maddening to me are the other side of the fense. One of the biggest things that has kept spywear and viruses out of the linux community is it's smaller number of users. The other things relate to configureability and security minded coding. If anyone tells you that it 'impossible' to write viruses and spywear for linux/unix they are decieved. With the growth of linux/unix in market share I fear that crackers and virus writers will begin targeting us too. The trade off will be in that more software companies will begin writing software for linux. In addition Bill may begin to loose his control over the hardware manufacturers which will give us a shorter cycle in getting drivers for new hardware and the kind of simple configuration now possible in windows. Mac is *I think* going to help us because they are a recognized platform in the industry and they from their inception have been driven by the "user friendly" segment of the market. I sympathize with the programmers that make linux in the form it is today possible. These guys are truely fighting upstream. Many of these guys have to not only figure out how a device actually works without any help from manufactures and in some cases working against manufacturer built in anti-reverse engineering and then write not only drivers but software that will support the drivers replacing dll's and calls to dozens of other programs imbedded in other windows software and operating system. What makes them even more nobel is that they are doing all of this on their own time. My diffuculties in configuring a 'free' webserver pale in comparison to somebody spending weeks of their time to write a driver for a video card that will be obsolete in a month for nothing but credit. I do want to see things get easier and better but I also respect the time and effort that has gone into this great operating system and I do give credit where credit is due. All of the guys at microsoft get paid. Very few programmers in the linux community do at least not for what they do for us. Spyware, adware, and even viruses are propogated if not created by the windows operating system to sell you spyware, adware, and virus blocking programs. There is actually virus software available for linux. It is mainly to clean up partitions and files shared or served to windows but it is available. Do you know how much it costs? For the most part nothing. Almost everything in the linux community is completely free. If I had to set up a windows machine with the same functionality as my linux machine (if it were possible) it would cost me at least somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 to $10,000 in software alone. You are right though the trade off is time and in many cases patients. I love linux and can do things with it that I may never be able to do in windows and all for free. So I raise my beer, burp loudly and salute all the programmers, especially Linus who made all of this possible.
Power to the people! Linux Power!
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Old 10-03-2006, 05:19 AM   #55
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Well... sad to say, Tom is gone. The power supply was giving me some problems, and finally, the motherboard conked off.

Hopefully, I'll make Tom portable, so he can go out with ease to catch Jerry.
 
Old 06-24-2009, 11:49 AM   #56
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This tutorial should have instructions for setting up default routes, particularly config files to edit, etc.
 
Old 03-05-2012, 10:27 PM   #57
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Smile Thank you

Hi, Thank you very much for this tutorial.

You made it so simple even I could follow (and have it work).

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