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Old 04-18-2010, 04:24 PM   #1
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Virtualization and Small Business


I have several clients that could benefit from virtualization. One in particular has a Windows XP based server using a program called PC America and 2 XP workstations that are cash registers. I have used VMware on a regular basis but he is really strapped for cash and I wanted to know if I could use any of these open source based virtualization programs to do the same thing as in VWware? Which one is best supported and is the one that would be most recommended?

* lguest
* KVM
* Linux-VServer
* OpenVZ
* User Mode Linux
* Xen

This is my ideal scenario: Have linux as my virtualization server running this XP environment for the POS server and clients:

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How can I setup this scenario using virtualization?

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Old 04-18-2010, 04:38 PM   #2
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I'm confused by your diagram there, three Linux machines which are actually XP? If that actually means 2 XP VM's on a Linux server, then Xen and KVM can both handle just fine, and I can't speak for the other ones. Note that VMware for this scenario is also free, just use the VMware Server product for zero pennies if you do wish to stick with VMware. Or go back to a full base metal level virtualised system, and use ESXi, also for free.
 
Old 04-18-2010, 04:54 PM   #3
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I made a mistake, you are right 2 VM sessions from from the server which would load the VM sessions on the workstations. So XEN, KVM, and VMware can handle this, great I shall look into it. I always appreciate your advice and thanks for helping me out over the years. Any decent tutorials on this stuff? Can you give me a quick run through on setting something like this up?

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Old 04-18-2010, 05:04 PM   #4
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Why try try something "canned" like Ubuntu Server ?. The next one, due soon, will be another LTS (long term support).
See the homepage.
 
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The word that I have been searching for is a virtual desktop using thin clients is what I want!

http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/desktop/

How can I do this with XEN or KVM. I want to my dummy client to be able to boot to the server to grab the VM!

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About 18 months ago Redhat bought Qumranet - this is how they got the SPICE technology.
Haven't looked at it for a while, but I believe they are only planning to offer it via RHEL - i.e. paid subscription.
 
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Why try try something "canned" like Ubuntu Server ?. The next one, due soon, will be another LTS (long term support).
See the homepage.
If considering this option (I'm not clear how it fits your requirements), beware that LTS releases are no less buggy than ordinary release at start-of-life, so best allowed to mature for ~6 months after release before using in production unless it has any "must have" features.
 
Old 04-19-2010, 01:49 AM   #8
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Well, sine RHEV was already mentioned, why not get it? Will be much cheaper than vmware.
 
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load the VM sessions on the work stations?? what does that mean? Are you after a terminal server, and not VM's?? Ah, yes... I see that reply now. Yeah not too clear there.

As for RHEV vs VMware, that's not a fair comparison at all. RHEV is akin to an ESX server farm, with bare metal nodes being centrally managed, and VMware is a company, not a product. VMware comes in all sorts of forms, including, as I said, free versions which I'd imagine are more than suitable.

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Old 04-23-2010, 05:48 PM   #10
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You are right I guess what I is a terminal server. What I would like to do is setup the POS on a server in the back and then have two thin clients in the front of the store pulling the OS image from the server.
 
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Do you need an entire OS, or will a terminal be enough? there's always LTSP to consider
 
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Where all of this comes from is when I used to work at this hospital, we were using Citrix Metaframe clustering in the server farm and using Wyseterm thin clients on the workstations throughout the hospital. The thin clients would boot up and connect to the Citrix servers and pull the OS from these servers. We had different images for each departments. This is what I want from linux? Point me in the right direction. Is this what I need:

* lguest
* KVM
* Linux-VServer
* OpenVZ
* User Mode Linux
* Xen

?????

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