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Old 03-09-2008, 11:01 PM   #1
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X11 fresh install on Laptop with Arch


Hi, this shouldn't be too tough I hope, I have been trying to get X11 along with fluxbox or XFCE installed on my Toshiba Tecra. It's a little old so I don't want to install something very large like KDE or Gnome.
Basically I'm looking for decent howto's on the installation process. I have read through the isntall process from the Gentoo website, and that only tells me howto install Fluxbox with their internet based install tool. I want to learn how this is done and not install from a full CD.
So if someone or several of you have good sites with this kind of information, I would appreciate any guidance.
At this point I have what I think is the base X11 on the computer in /opt and I have tried ./configuring it. I eventually wind up with a message "pkgmgr" is not installed on the machine. I tried installing "pkgmgr" and I'm still having problems. I cp pkgmgr into /bin, I added /opt/pkgmgr into /etc/path and changed the permissions of it to 777. I'm coming to a loss, I tried adding $PATH=/bin/pkgmgr and a few other combinations similar to that. I know I'm missing something simple, but I don't know what it is.
I know getting this computer up and running could take several weeks maybe even months, so I'm in no rush. I'm not sure when I'll be able to check this posting again, possibly later tonight most likely tomorrow or tuesday. Thankyou for your help.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 01:14 AM   #2
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I'm a little confused about a couple of things. Are you using gentoo? if not, then their installation instruction will be of no use to you.

If you are using arch linux, is there a reason why you don't want to install arch's X11 packages? They're probably on the arch installation cd.

And what is the X11 base you have? Is it directly from x.org, and is it the old monolithic X or the new modular X? If it's the new modular X you are probably missing many packages. There are several that need to be compiled and installed properly and in the right order so as to function well with the rest of your system. See linuxfromscratch.org. I am NOT saying to follow those instructions because probably it will trash your system. But it will at least show what kind of work would be involved.

If it's the old X the process is a little simpler but I definately wouldn't do it unless you have some specific reason not to use arch's packages, because you will probably run into dependency problems later on.

Basically, unless you have some very unique circumstances, I would just install arch's packages.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 01:40 AM   #3
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What he said ...

There's even an entry for both fluxbox and XFCE on the wiki. Really, pacman is there to help you. Might save your sanity too.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 05:39 PM   #4
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I guess there was some ambiguity in the post. I was reading through the Gentoo howto only to try and get an idea for setting up X11 and Fluxbox. I am losing my sanity a little, and at this point I wouldn't mind using something like pacman.
This is more of a learning point for me though, I want to take things one step at a time and figure out as much as I can. However I also know trying to install thousands of files manually is more of an exercise in futility than patience.
To answer the question about the X11 base, it seems to be more of a module form. It was very small only about fifty megs or so. At one point many years ago I think I did install from a monolithic form, back when I had more time and hair. I'll probably post again later today after I do some more research and reading. Thanks again.
 
Old 03-17-2008, 10:47 PM   #5
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I figured I should probably give a small update. I tried using the Pacman tool with Arch, and I'm still having problems. I was able to configure the mirror into the extras file and start the download. However when I start the download I noticed that there are about nine files that pacman shows are needed. When I actually start the download it downloads the nine, and then starts downloading a few hundred others.
I managed to write down the files that pacman mentioned before it started to download, and I downloaded them seperately. I was able to untar them and place them in the directory where they belong, however I'm still having trouble.
At this point if I can't figure something out, I'll probably download the whole x11 monolith system and go from there. If that doesn't work, I'll scrap Arch altogether and just try another system. If I'm being too rash in this decision please let me know. I be willing to try pacman a few more times if someone is pretty good with it. Thanks again.
 
Old 03-17-2008, 10:58 PM   #6
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I figured I should probably give a small update. I tried using the Pacman tool with Arch, and I'm still having problems. I was able to configure the mirror into the extras file and start the download. However when I start the download I noticed that there are about nine files that pacman shows are needed. When I actually start the download it downloads the nine, and then starts downloading a few hundred others.
I managed to write down the files that pacman mentioned before it started to download, and I downloaded them seperately. I was able to untar them and place them in the directory where they belong, however I'm still having trouble.
At this point if I can't figure something out, I'll probably download the whole x11 monolith system and go from there. If that doesn't work, I'll scrap Arch altogether and just try another system. If I'm being too rash in this decision please let me know. I be willing to try pacman a few more times if someone is pretty good with it. Thanks again.
just follow the Wiki:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg

I think you're making it much harder than it really is.
 
Old 03-18-2008, 12:02 AM   #7
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That sounds all right, I'll work on this and let you know later in the week. Thanks
 
Old 03-18-2008, 08:37 AM   #8
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That sounds all right, I'll work on this and let you know later in the week. Thanks
Just go step by step, and stick with it. It'll be worth it in the end.

Here's a wiki on using pacman:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman

 
  


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