Thanks.

1. So the IE license thing is just to keep me honest? I don't have to enter any license information?

2. I didn't quite understand the code you used for sendmail. Can you explain what the first one does?

Do you have to start it? A telnet query showed it was there. Doesn't that mean it runs on boot and is already waiting for a job?

How can you get feedback from sendmail, e.g. messages not delivered or something...or are you working blind in that regard?

The Sidenet web site has some scripts that will install IE under wine, all you need is a installed recent wine release. The script will do all the config and installation for you.

http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html

The usual warnings and disclaimers apply here, I haven't used these scripts for over a year and use of IE on any platform is a security liabilty.

If you can connect ok with telnet then it's already running. Logs are usually in /var/log/maillog (at least in my distro)

The commands I used:

chmod +/-x /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail : make the sendmail startup script executable or not, so it will start sendmail automatically on boot up. May be a different way of doing it on your distro.

/etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail start/stop/restart : starts/stops or restarts sendmail

IE requires that you have a windows license. It doesn't say you have to have it installed, and it requires no codes or varification with WINE/crossover. It's just a legal issue. And I'd like to see MS try to stop people using IE when they have it freely downloadable....

They want to have their cake and eat it too. They made it free to wipe out the opposition, now they want to make windows exclusive as well. Go jump...

But firefox is better and I tend to avoid IE only places... And yes I have moved banks because of this sort of thing...

IMHO, WINE is broken. The WINE developers choose to use GUI for the latest stable (I like stay broken) release to configure WINE which is a very bad idea. The GUI program depends on your WINE windows directory and setup. If your setup crashes from bad configuration, there is no way to configure it. I am against the WINE project because it makes you go in circles trying to get it working. I am an Linux expert, but I tried several times to get WINE working.

I recommend trying VMware. It works as advertise. To some people it is expensive, but the price to me seems that I am stealing it because of its features. VMware works by using virtual machines which you can run an 80x86 operating system. The operating system like Windows will run like it is running on a computer. VMware includes sound, com ports, parallel ports, USB, SCSI, floppy, IDE, NIC, and 3D rendering. Your processor needs be 500 MHz or faster and at least 512 megabytes of RAM or more. VMware recommends 256 MB of RAM but the virtual machine will seem very sluggish even if tmpfs is used. I recommend storing the virtual machine images on a XFS partition for fast read and write speeds.

Hi Electro. Try crossover. It's easy, reliable, good for noobs even, doesn't depend on having a windows partition (nor does ordinary wine)...

VMware, like win4lin, does require you to have or buy a copy of windows. Wine/crossover does not. With the cost of VMware plus legal windows, it's a lot of money compared to WINE or even crossover

Ordinary WINE is also not to hard to get working. It's close to crossover these days and I can run the apps on either wine or crossover if I want. but I like the new crossover bottles...

Try ies4linux. It installs ok, but now with wine 0.9.7, and amd chip activex doesn't work.

Hi.

I tried sending from Thunderbird via sendmail. I think sendmail is running because I got this:
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telnet localhost 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.localdomain.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:23:30 +0200; (No UCE/UBE) logging access from: localhost.localdomain(OK)-localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
Connection closed by foreign host.
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I don't really know what this means...is sendmail running but not configured? What's the "no access" business?

I made an smtp server called localhost in Thunderbird, and set it as default. However, as far as I can tell, Thunderbird is still using my ISP's smtp server (I didn't remove it). I don't know why that would be the case unless Thunderbird is failing to connect to sendmail (or sendmail isn't running, or isn't configured right).

Anyone know what to do to get this working?

Thanks.

AMEN!

Sounds good, but if you are fighting against Microsuck's monopoly on the market (and the internet), why is it that you are giving in and using their browser. You should be talking to the bank. It shouldn't be hard at all for them to make their pages compatible with others browsers. Your a customer and you should be able to use whatever browser you like with their service. At least try to before you give in and use IE.

If you do end up trying IE, not all programs are (fully) functional w/ WINE, and WINE is a bit tough to use, if you are new to linux. I'd at least take a look at Codeweavers or something similar before you jump straight into WINE.

Also, 127.0.0.1 is localhost, it looks like Thunderbird is connecting to your 'localhost' computer, so it looks like Thunderbird is connecting to sendmail (I might be wrong though). I'm not sure about the connection closed bit.

Good luck with whatever you do.

Some ISP such as my ISP blocks port 80 and port 25. I had to use either my ISP SMTP, hotmail, or Gmail SMTP servers. If you are trying to set up a SMTP server, make sure the daemon is running.

In Mozilla and Thunderbird, you can setup more than one SMTP server. Though you just need to select the that will be the default.

As mentioned, I did make an smtp called localhost AND set it as default, but Thunderbird isn't using it.

I don't think the ISP is blocking the port because I use a mail server on Windows with no problem. I haven't checked which port it's using, but I didn't set one so I assume it's using the regular default.

As mentioned, I don't really understand the output of the telnet query 100%, but it seems to be running.

Any ideas?

Try this:

telnet localhost 25
HELO domainaddress.com
MAIL From: you@youreamail
RCPT To: you@youremail
DATA
Test
.

Enter these commands (including the single dot) and if it works you will recieve an email, or if not then hopefully you will get a message telling what the problem is.

Also you may have to set the outgoing SMTP for each account in settings for TB

Thanks!

Output was like this:
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telnet localhost 25
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.localdomain.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:24:43 +0200; (No UCE/UBE) logging access from: localhost.localdomain(OK)-localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
HELO domainaddress.com
250 localhost.localdomain Hello localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
MAIL From: teacher@ingla.com
250 2.1.0 teacher@ingla.com... Sender ok
RCPT To: teacher@ingla.com
250 2.1.5 teacher@ingla.com... Recipient ok
DATA
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
Test
.
----------------------------------------

That all worked very nicely. Got a message (no subject) with the message "Test". Tried another with a different message and got that too.

Very nice (where'd you learn that?).

Anyway, now I need a way to send real messages (HTML) created in Thundeerbird.

As far as I can see, I have no options re: smtp except a list (can't change order), with one set as default. No way to associate smpt with a particular account (I wish there were for other reasons). I can just choose a default, one mailing at a time.

Any idea how to make Thunderbird send from sendmail (localhost is the default smtp, but Thunderbird skips/ignores it). Maybe I should use 127.0.0.1 instead of "localhost"??

Any ideas?

Check in account option sections. For each account, click the heading (not server section) and it says at bottom smtp server to use.

So in theory you can use sendmail for your mailing list, and your isp for mail which might be labelled as spam by some networks (not acusing you but it happens with hotmail acounts eg)

Well I learned a few tricks with telnet, but it works for your pop3 server too, which is handy when someone has sent you a several megabyte email that refuses to download. You can delete it via telnet and get your email working again

Thank you very much. I'll check out the account settings.

Meanwhile, can I inlcude a subject using the method you just showed me? If so, how?

Is this limited to plain text? Can I send an attachment?

Also, I'd be very interested to know how do delete a POP message using this.

I use several hard drives because I've learned the hard way how essential it is to be fully backed up and operational at all times. So, I leave important messages on the server for a while, deleting spam, etc., from the POP3 servers without downloading them (I have limited space in the mailboxes and an overflow will cause messages to be deleted at random). Thunderbird and Evolution just let me delete messages as they are downloaded (bad) or leave everything on the server forever (also bad).

I have been looking everywhere for a Linux program that will let me preview and delete from the server. So far, I haven't found one. Kmail is supposed to do that, but just crashes on my system (I've also heard it has a bug which deletes the wrong messages). For now, I have to boot back to Windows to clean up the mailboxes.

If I knew how, I'd write an extension for Thunderbird to do that. Incredimail can do it, as can an old (pre-unicode) Windows client I keep around for the purpose. I'm surprised most clients don't include that function...it's very useful.

Re: the spam part, I know. This isn't spam. My host just has a limit of about 50 messages an hour, so if I need to send to a couple hundred people, it drags out for a long time. This is an interim solution. As the list grows, I'll probably move to some kind of managed newsletter system...just isn't worth paying for yet.

Please let me know about the above questions, if you can.

Thanks.