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Old 05-01-2014, 12:37 PM   #31
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No problem.

There are certainly volunteers like students and weekend hobbyists that contribute to the kernel. But the vast majority of the kernel is maintained by people getting paid to do it.

Also, Android is a distribution that uses the Linux kernel. So in laymen's terms it is actually already "Linux," and is not a competitor. The main thing to remember here though is that Linux is just a kernel. That is all. Fedora, Red Hat, Slackware, are distributions that combine the Kernel with other programs to make a functioning OS.
 
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:21 PM   #32
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I've deployed LibreOffice to an entire office, for a savings of 20,000$+ instead of using MS office. I have no issues with it, compatibility or otherwise.

The only thing missing is Outlook. Sure there are mail clients that tie into it fairly well, but none of them tie in well enough to use all features of Outlook. So we had to purchase licenses for it and deploy it to the machines. That is my only complaint about the linux versions,.. but I also understand that M$ has Outlook/Exchange locked down in a pit of proprietary madness, so I don't expect that situation to ever be resolved. Its unfortunate, but unavoidable.

There is also Apache Openoffice, but I had problems a few years back when it was being moved between Oracle and Apache, and I've never looked back into it. I considered it a failed project. But from what i read, OpenOffice is back and working well. Unfortunately I've already went with LibreOffice and I'm unlikely to go back.
not to mention the tie in with SharePoint and Access, MS really has a tidy little package in Office
 
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:02 PM   #33
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It really does.

The only linux-fied thing that I've found and used that is anywhere near the MS suite is this: http://www.zentyal.org/server/#server-features Its sort of like SBS with Exchange, Sharepoint and a few other toys.

But, in a windows network, I would rather have the office suite any day. Hands down.
 
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:23 PM   #34
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I once saw Bill Gates on local Israeli T.V. when he visited here. He made one very important point often forgotten. A Secretary who can use our Office programmes can pick up a job all over the world. In other words Microsoft for all the woes, brought about standardisation (being from England I write British English). As a youngster I remember the console and tape recorder computer days before this when all was opening up. Computers or software would have not taken off if not for some sort of standardisation.

So when someone uses a word processor that does not open or save in the standard file formats a document, they are up the creek without a paddle.
 
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They would have taken off in spite MS and x86, neither was exactly dominant nor "the standard" it took a rather long time for that to happen.
 
Old 05-01-2014, 02:48 PM   #36
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The point here is that even though it took a long time, standardisation did happen. I find myself saving documents as .doc even in LibreOffice or AbiWord and Softmaker. The only other way all will see is to write them to PDF. Maybe the xthml format will take over completely. The .docx format of Microsoft has turned into a winner, and put them ahead.

As szboardstretcher rightly reminded me Linux is only the Kernel and distributions use them. The niggle with Linux is the non standardisation problem the various .rpm formats and the .deb. Both are useable, both are good, both are not compatible.

As a Linux Mint 16 kde user, I sometimes get frustrated with some programmes that are not easily installable. Some of the instructions are to put it mildly beyond the average user. There seems to be no standardisation when it comes to having to configure then install a programme. The idea should be is it User Friendly? At the moment thousands if not millions of us out there are wondering whether to leave Windows XP on the computer or not. If not, then we are faced with either forking out a fortune for Windows 7 or Windows 8, or turning to the free Linux distributions. This is a golden opportunity to show that Linux is the right alternative. Because it's free, not many people even know it exists, and if they do they say you have to be a wiz-kid to use it. This chance will take a long time to come again. Who knows when Windows 7 will be obsolete?
 
Old 05-01-2014, 02:54 PM   #37
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I believe I said it earlier in this thread, but on another thread someone (a writer type) noted that they've saved documents in the ODT format and never had problems. That was in response to my notation and someone else's that frequently swapping a DOC file from Windows to Linux (OpenOffice) and back would cause changes to tables, headers, etc and that was a problem. Hence their recommendation of ODT. Which I know is the default form that OpenOffice uses. What I didn't know at the time was if you search and read up on ODT it is an officially recognized document standard, and from that I learned that Word does see it properly. So as a result I do compose documents and save them as ODT and the Windows persons I interact with can see them properly, make changes, save them and we don't have format alterations if we stay in that format.

Open Document Format
 
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:55 PM   #38
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@moshebagelfresser You're assuming that Linux and it's devs and distros as a whole want to be the go-to when/if people want to leave Windows. It's going to take a great deal to convince me that that is the case. It's been ~25years and GNU/Linux doesn't seem to desire that, they seem o desire to be an alternative.

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Old 05-01-2014, 03:05 PM   #39
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You got a point there Germany_Chris!
 
Old 05-01-2014, 04:59 PM   #40
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The word processors I use in Linux do 95% or more of what the commercial products do.

Anyone is welcome to create one that is better.
 
Old 05-23-2014, 08:39 AM   #41
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I believe I said it earlier in this thread, but on another thread someone (a writer type) noted that they've saved documents in the ODT format and never had problems. That was in response to my notation and someone else's that frequently swapping a DOC file from Windows to Linux (OpenOffice) and back would cause changes to tables, headers, etc and that was a problem. Hence their recommendation of ODT. Which I know is the default form that OpenOffice uses. What I didn't know at the time was if you search and read up on ODT it is an officially recognized document standard, and from that I learned that Word does see it properly. So as a result I do compose documents and save them as ODT and the Windows persons I interact with can see them properly, make changes, save them and we don't have format alterations if we stay in that format.

Open Document Format
i had no idea. on 2 separate occasions i was having problems with a spreadsheet in ms-excel and for some reason it was corrupted when i emailed it to the person (we all have ms-office on our work machines). after reading this i saved it in ods and the last person was able to open it. nice.

i'm gonna' save everything in ods from now on.
 
  


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