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Old 02-27-2004, 09:49 AM   #1
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Thumbs down Whoever builds GNOME/XIMIAN does nto have aclue to what they are doing


So I installed XIMIAN Desktop 2 [after much hassling, though] and realized that there exists a breed of software developers in this wide world who simply refuse to listen to their user requirements [not that I sent them any ].

I fired up the much touted new Nautilus File manager, and horror upon horrors , there is no address bar in the window. I try looking in the preferences, no clue,; i try to look into the documenation, no clue;

Anyways, I click on one of my folders and it opens up in another window ; so far so good; I decide to change this behaviour and once agian go into preferences to change it. DARN, there is no way you can change it from there. A little bit of googling tells me that this is the feature that the Development Team decided upon. I wonder who was the one who asked for such a stupid feature and the development team never gave a way to get out of it?

So , anyways, I come back to my desktop and realize that I do not like some of my menus and would like to create a brand new one. Cool. I right clik on the Aceesories Menu, , no option to change the current setting. I go into ALL the menus and try : NO WAY YOU CAN CHANGE THE MENUS.
So back to Google again, and it transpires that I have to go in and change some configuration files to achieve what other Desktops Managers let me do by simply drag-and drop operations.

Next thigs: I log out of XIMIAN Deskop 2 and happily go back to my KDE, fully determined to get rid of the XIMIAN crap from my PC

If anyone is impressed [depressed] by this story, I am more than happy to listen to the reaction,

Thankx in advance...
 
Old 02-27-2004, 10:26 AM   #2
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You could always fire up Nautilus, hit Ctl-L for a location pop-up (I believe),and then go to applications://. If XD2 uses the standard GNOME URIs then from here you can edit menus and such.
 
Old 02-27-2004, 11:28 AM   #3
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What hits me hard is that things are so easy in KDE , the down side being that KDE has TONNES of options which sometimes lead you astray but at least the simple tasks such as editing menus and opening folders in the same windows are handled elegantly in a GUI.
Why can't GNOME/XIMIAN people learn from that? Or are they tooo snobbish to learn from their competitors.

Thankx in advance...
 
Old 02-27-2004, 12:15 PM   #4
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there exists a breed of software developers in this wide world who simply refuse to listen to their user requirements [not that I sent them any .....Why can't GNOME/XIMIAN people learn from that? Or are they tooo snobbish to learn from their competitors.
This being the Linux community, high pay and all, you are more than welcome to apply your extreme abundance of knowledge to correct all problems you find.
 
Old 02-27-2004, 12:21 PM   #5
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Talking

 
Old 02-27-2004, 01:22 PM   #6
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I am more than happy to do that and you never know I mioght be doing that right now
All I am saying is that XIMIAN , being the "flagship" desktop product for linux has some VERY VERY serious shortcomings in it

Hope that helps...
 
Old 02-27-2004, 07:35 PM   #7
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And by the way, there is no way you can make a window stay-on-top in GNOME/XIMIAN. Now thats a bugger!
 
Old 03-01-2004, 08:39 AM   #8
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That's a Metacity issue, not GNOME. It's a feature I really wish was there, but don't blame Ximian.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 09:14 AM   #9
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Originally posted by chem1
What hits me hard is that things are so easy in KDE , the down side being that KDE has TONNES of options which sometimes lead you astray but at least the simple tasks such as editing menus and opening folders in the same windows are handled elegantly in a GUI.
Why can't GNOME/XIMIAN people learn from that? Or are they tooo snobbish to learn from their competitors...
But some people complain about having too many options. They're bewildered by the complexity. The recent changes in Nautilus were intended to make it easier and more transparent to use. However, I don't like the changes either, and, with you, I hope it's made configurable.

I think you can change the menus. Point Nautilus to "applications:///" and another instance of Nautilus to <prefix>/share/applications/, and drag and drop icons from the second Nautilus window to the first. That's not necessarily the best way, but it's one way.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 09:42 AM   #10
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Yeh Greg,
I tried that.....its definitely not the best way [in the first go it did not work either ).
So I am back to KDE!!.Nis, since XIMIAN uses Metacity, therefore, IMHO, it is a XIMIAN issue

Hope that helps...
 
Old 03-01-2004, 10:13 AM   #11
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I fired up the much touted new Nautilus File manager, and horror upon horrors , there is no address bar in the window. I try looking in the preferences, no clue,; i try to look into the documenation, no clue;
- On the "View" menu check "Location Bar"

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Anyways, I click on one of my folders and it opens up in another window ; so far so good; I decide to change this behaviour and once agian go into preferences to change it. DARN, there is no way you can change it from there. A little bit of googling tells me that this is the feature that the Development Team decided upon. I wonder who was the one who asked for such a stupid feature and the development team never gave a way to get out of it?
- "Edit" menu then "Preferences" then "Behavior" tab: uncheck option "Open activated item in a new window"

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NO WAY YOU CAN CHANGE THE MENUS
-CLick on My Computer then programs, you can edit the menu from here.

OMG! there is no way to make a window stay on top! How can they be so evil?!!

I'm sorry about that last part, i don't mean no harm
 
Old 03-01-2004, 11:47 AM   #12
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Pinkfloyd,
Do u think that I posted this thread without checking all these options?

There is no such option in Ximaian Desktop 2 to change the window behaviour.
AS for the location bar , how do u go up onle level and back and forward?

And again, if menu editing is that difficult, then one is better off using KDE (i am not their proponenet , but just comparing the two) where easy drag and drop functions are avaiable

Hope that helps...
 
Old 03-01-2004, 12:05 PM   #13
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But there is such an option... I'm using XD2 and that is where I got those options from. There are up, down and back buttons as well. Maybe something went wrong with your installation, because
I've used gnome (and recently ximian) on several distros and I've never had a default configuration such as yours. I think KDE is very good too but I also think you exagerated a bit on Ximians shortcomings. If you could see how it works on my pc you would realize it is not bad at all, simply different.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 12:37 PM   #14
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"AS for the location bar , how do u go up onle level and back and forward?"

The buttons are located on what Gnome calls the Toolbar (View menu->Toolbar to enable). The shortcuts are: Up is Alt+Up(Arrow), back is Alt+Left(Arrow), and foreward is Alt+Right(Arrow) as well. You can also find them under the "Go" menu.

I'll agree that editing menus is a pain, especially having to log out of Gnome before the changes appear. But it has the advantage of making it harder to mess up your menus by accident.

Last edited by Greyweather; 03-01-2004 at 12:41 PM.
 
Old 03-01-2004, 03:08 PM   #15
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Hum pinkfloyd,
You have given me food for thought ..I might need to check the installation..
Lets see if that helps....
 
  


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