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well i have been using the phoenix (now called firebird) browser since version 0.1 and i have to say it is excellent. it does all that a browser should without coming packaged with all the cruft (email clients, chat clients, programs to keep track of how many socks you have, programs to organise reminder notes to self et c) and is therefore great. apparently the mozilla project plans to work firebird up to full mozilla browser capability and then replace the existing mozilla line with firebird, which will kick ass. first though they are putting together a software suite containing all the crufty bits that they will be leaving out, for those people who like that sort of thing...
in short, i recommend phoenix (<ahem> sorry, 'firebird').
The browser question is fraught with agreement, disagreement, and plain dissension!
I've tried to find out (via these forums) what is a "good" browser for Linux and have had many different opinions.
I personally like Opera, but have been told it has/causes problems by one person, and is great by others.
As above - Linux is about choice, and after MS this can be difficult. I am trying different ones at the moment. So far I like Opera mostly, but there does some to be some niggles, like not all tabs showing _ but then again, it might be me not using it properly.
I ran a thread on browsers and phoenix came through as a preference of those who responded - I wanted something reasonably small and fast. It does seem to be those things but I am still having problems getting it to run without having to run using ./ in a terminal. So I am back to Opera.
Good luck. One thing I have found - there's heaps of help - but at the end of the day you have to make a decision sometimes. Scary after Windows! But then, if you couldn't make a decision after Windows you wouldn't be here ...
I use Mozilla in my Mandrake 9.0 and also Mozilla, instead of IE, when I have to boot with WinXP (I like it much more then IE, nice browser, short cuts, mail, popup block and above all else, it's not M$ ). There's a huge diference between the very same version of Mozilla, running into two diferents OS. I believe ( this is just a guess ) that it is not the browser problem in Linux, but it's how Linux "render"(Images, fonts, flash app...) things diferently from M$ OS...
I don't think it's bad if Linux render things diferently, but it takes time to get used with as Linux itselfs .
romcgill, that's odd, as i say i have used phoenix since 0.1 and have never had any problem with it. i just untar it into /opt and then do "ln -s /opt/phoenix/phoenix /usr/bin/phoenix" which then enables me to just make a desktop icons pointing to "phoenix" or just type "phoenix" in a runbox...
Opera rocks! it's a pain at first but after you get it dialed in it can just do so much! I love the right click features, and it is by far the fastest! the only thing with Opera is it's doesn't do java well. Look around and you can find a way to register it.
I really like Opera, use it in Linux and Windows as my main web browser. Just downloaded Phoenix/Firebird and I'm really impressed. If Opera's faster I can't tell the difference. It really is a matter of personal preference so try several. I can't say that I've had any problems getting pages to display correctly with any of the browsers. Allthough as tied2 said getting Opera set up and all the plugins installed can be a headache.
I like Opera and Firebird.
Opera is my #1 choice, but I had gotten into using Firebird while waiting for Opera 7. If you try opera, get the 7.1beta, don't use the old stable 6.12, it sucks (in my opionion, which is, of course, the most important opionion to me). I've found with Opera 7, there are any longer VERY few websites that don't display properly in it. Less, in fact, than there are with Firebird 0.5 (nightly build from sometime in the middle of april).
Konqueror will display standard compliant xhtml and css properly.
Mozilla does as well, but I can't get the fonts to look nice, and I find it takes too long to load.
I don't use Opera because I stopped using M$ to get away from adware, and I can't justify spending money on it when the free software installed on my system do the job perfectly.
So, I use Konq, but as with all of these "which is the best" threads, the only answer is to try them all and judge for yourself else deal with a thousand personal opinions and be more confused than ever.
might i just put in another mention here, i started using epiphany recently and i prefer it in many ways to any of the other gecko browsers (moz, galeon, netscape, phoenix et c) epiphany is most similar to galeon, for those that have used it.
Epiphany requires that you have a version of mozilla that has been compiled against GTK+ 2 though, and i think the norm is to compile it against GTK+ 1 (i might be wrong, but that's how the mozilla that comes with slack 9 is built).
it's good though, nice minimal interface, fast and functional.
Originally posted by Calum romcgill, that's odd, as i say i have used phoenix since 0.1 and have never had any problem with it. i just untar it into /opt and then do "ln -s /opt/phoenix/phoenix /usr/bin/phoenix" which then enables me to just make a desktop icons pointing to "phoenix" or just type "phoenix" in a runbox...
Calum is the command to untar into /opt something like?
tar -xzvf phoenix-0.5-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz -C /opt
yes, although i am not sure what that -C is doing there, to make it even simpler i would probably "mv phoenix.....tar.gz /opt" then "cd /opt" and then "tar -xvzf phoenix...tar.gz" (the ... isn't literal, i wouldn't type that if i were actually entering in the commands, just there's no tab completion on a bulletin board!) then i would just make a symlink in /usr/bin or possibly /usr/local/bin using "ln -s".