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Old 12-15-2003, 08:28 AM   #1
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When is Linux moving into the 64 bit world?


Hey Guys

I have heard of a few server distros that are 64 bit OS's.

But when are Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Slackware and the other home Linux OS's moving into the 64 bit world.

I love Linux guys, but I wondering weather Linux will survive moving to the 64 bit world.

Thanks
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Old 12-15-2003, 08:32 AM   #2
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SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Slackware are server distros (and home too).

AFAIK, Linux is already there and was ahead of Windows.
 
Old 12-15-2003, 09:31 AM   #3
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Linux (unlike windowz) left i386-only approach behind long time ago. It was resonably ready to run on amd64 before amd64 was actually released. Moreover, linux and gnu are a rapidly evolving systems, full of technological 'biodiversity', so any heavy change is going to hurt them far less than how it can hurt a one-fits-all (i.e. 'cloned') os like mswin.
And keep an eye on the HURD, too... maybe crossing the boundary will give it a boost!
 
Old 12-15-2003, 09:32 AM   #4
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i´ve read a press announcement from suse who introduced their 64bit-version of enterprise solution 7 for ibm-servers.

that was in april, 2002.

so don´t worry, linux will survive in 64bit-environment, too.

what makes me think is the recent trend to concentrate on enterprise solutions, see redhat. or the suse takeover by novell. shrinking the home user support at redhat.

in this sector there´s much more money to make than with home users only, of course.

i think what is coming up will be strengthened conditions for users of download-versions, which i think will become less as the trend is moving towards more commercial conditions.

hope i´m wrong.



ps the brave must win--and the brave is red!
 
Old 12-15-2003, 08:29 PM   #5
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Don't forget 64bit Linux has been around for years. It started off with the port to the DEC Alpha and then the Sun UltraSPARC architectures - both true 64bit platforms.

Linux is not very platform dependent - the Debian distribution alone is released for ten (!) different architectures, plus two that haven't seen an official stable release yet (AMD64 and Hitachi SuperH) but those will probably be labeled "stable" within a year.

Try that with Windows.


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Old 12-15-2003, 08:43 PM   #6
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SuSE 8.2 64-bit is out... They call it a Beta, but knowing SuSE it's probably fairly stable.
 
Old 12-16-2003, 07:53 AM   #7
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yep, think so too. for sure they dont release it unstable. but there´s already a 64version of suse 9.0 for amd64.

greetz,

bavarian



ps the brave must win--and the brave is red!
 
Old 12-16-2003, 08:17 AM   #8
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Oh yeah, I read somehere very recently that AMD and Linux are very closely intertwined over 64 bit support - the Intel chips would need a lot of tweaking to be a viable option for Linux so AMD it is. Could it be that AMD will take over the server processor market (because of the range of Linux servers) or will it all go titsup and burn out?
 
Old 12-16-2003, 08:49 AM   #9
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good question, dont know that. of course, there´s much money to earn with server processors, so why shouldn´t they try?

i dont have prejudices concerning amds, but they should do something about the heating problem. when they did, i´ll try them, too ...
 
Old 12-16-2003, 12:27 PM   #10
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i dont have prejudices concerning amds, but they should do something about the heating problem. when they did, i´ll try them, too ...
Errr...they already did.
If you compare the current P4's and the current Athlon XP's you will notice that the Intel chips run noticably hotter. Athlons also have built-in thermal control so if it overheats it will shut down instead of burning like the Athlon Thunderbirds (like in the infamous and tragically outdated Tom's Hardware video), plus all recent motherboards for AMD CPU's that I have used also have thermal control. With temperature control you should feel pretty safe.


Håkan
 
Old 12-16-2003, 02:54 PM   #11
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Re Tom's Hardware video. It was completely unscientific, with a sample size of er... one.
 
Old 12-16-2003, 07:14 PM   #12
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but don´t amds still need extra-cooling, compared to a p4? heard they still have xx-large fans to prevent roasting the cpu ...



ps the brave must win--and the brave is red!
 
Old 12-16-2003, 09:22 PM   #13
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Originally posted by bavarian
but don´t amds still need extra-cooling, compared to a p4? heard they still have xx-large fans to prevent roasting the cpu ...



ps the brave must win--and the brave is red!
The problem here is that you have no idea of what you are talking about since you never even saw an Athlon XP +.
 
Old 12-16-2003, 09:40 PM   #14
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Athlons put out more heat than what? Definately not the P4Bs or Cs. P4 run much hotter. I assure you, my stock heat sink on my P4 2.6c was a hefty pos. Much more so than my brothers AMD Barton 2500+. No, they don't have larger fans, unless you consider 60mm huge (especially compared to the 92mm I now have on my Intel to keep it cool :O).

EDIT: As a note. Both me and my bro are running overclocked right now, I have a slk-900u and he has a tt volcano 11. His runs a good 7C cooler than mine.

And the new AMD hammers supposedly run really hot though, as hot as the new intels.

Last edited by 95se; 12-16-2003 at 09:48 PM.
 
Old 12-16-2003, 09:53 PM   #15
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my friend sniper actually asked me about whether linux actually takes advantage of the 64 bit architecture and i had no idea what to tell him. i knew linux would run on it, but does it actually take advantage of the new architecture?
 
  


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