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Old 07-14-2004, 11:09 AM   #946
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Definitely Dreamweaver MX. I think it's the best html editor out there.

I'd be probably willing to pay the normal price for it. Or if they want to make it opensource then..
 
Old 07-14-2004, 07:42 PM   #947
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Re: visual studio .net

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or at least .net framework would be nice then i would be able to start thinking about linux on the desktop, oh hang on i think someones having a go at that already. itf it actually work that'll be a winner for me.
Checkout two things:

First is Eclipse - that is your IDE enviroment that was first made for Java, but now allow any language extension. Because I am under pressure for a recent .NET project I couldn't afford to play and code all using this, but I do know that Eclipse is the first step.

Second is Mono - the second step. You need this to produce .NET apps under Linux that will be some 90% compatible with MS.NET. You can make both work side by side.

Eclipse
Mono
 
Old 07-15-2004, 03:15 PM   #948
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Lightbulb Photoshop

Definitely Photoshop and maybe Microsoft Office
 
Old 07-15-2004, 03:17 PM   #949
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Re: Photoshop

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Definitely Photoshop and maybe Microsoft Office
both of those programs work with wine

http://www.frankscorner.org
 
Old 07-15-2004, 11:29 PM   #950
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My vote is for PhpMyAdmin, this will complete the loop of Apache+Php+Mysql. Struts studio will be another good thing as Tomcat is already there in Fedora 2
 
Old 07-16-2004, 03:35 AM   #951
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Lightbulb Agree

I agree with bumeshrai
 
Old 07-16-2004, 11:56 AM   #952
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regarding Photoshop and games

Pulling some info on the earlier, Photoshop works without a glitch if you manually install it in wine. It showed no problems on wine in my Slackware!
I also would love to see older RPGs ported into wine. Most of those work well with wine, but have issues with commands and buttons. For instance Oni. It works great with the opengl implementation, but fails in the aspect of sound and the recognizing of the mouse buttons. I really think Warcraft III should be ported to linux too, because until now I haven't seen it work on anything but Red-hat wine (I'm sure other distros work it too, but I haven't seen it)! With the new xorg thing and the slowpoke ATI not making drivers for xorg, the new Red hat versions are kiling me!
 
Old 07-17-2004, 03:25 AM   #953
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Re: regarding Photoshop and games

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Pulling some info on the earlier, Photoshop works without a glitch if you manually install it in wine. It showed no problems on wine in my Slackware!
I also would love to see older RPGs ported into wine. Most of those work well with wine, but have issues with commands and buttons. For instance Oni. It works great with the opengl implementation, but fails in the aspect of sound and the recognizing of the mouse buttons. I really think Warcraft III should be ported to linux too, because until now I haven't seen it work on anything but Red-hat wine (I'm sure other distros work it too, but I haven't seen it)! With the new xorg thing and the slowpoke ATI not making drivers for xorg, the new Red hat versions are kiling me!
My Photoshop does have a glitch on Wine.
Basically when you save to the web as GIF and try to change the number of colours.
You get ???? instead of actual numbers ...
That is my experience though.
I don't know if its the wrong version of PS or Wine that is causing this.
 
Old 07-17-2004, 03:38 AM   #954
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Re: Photoshop

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Definitely Photoshop and maybe Microsoft Office
Seriously not trying to be a OpenSource-Zealot
The more I use OpenOffice the more I find it is quite neat and having that "robustness" feel about it, the experience feels more reassuring than when working with Microsoft Office and some of it's annoying glitches (most notably in Word).

I think it takes about 10 documents; to realize OpenOffice is in no way inferior to MS.
It's as intuitive, so if you know Word pretty well - you basically can guess where a similar feature might be found in OOWriter say.

I definitely hate Word no end.
Excel on the other hand has been pretty neat the times I've used it and coded for it in the past (VBA) - can't comment on OpenOffice's Calc as I never used it.
Powerpoint ... was OK, but horrid to develop VBA apps for - so crashed at any opportunity.
I've used OO Impress but not sufficiently enough.

After 10 documents it's possible to judge better - I know it sounds a lot though.

There is though (understandably) a big reluctance to try anything other than Microsoft.
I was trying to convince my boss that OpenOffice is pretty sound - but people's conditioning tell them that anything non-Microsoft will be as fast & fun as a VIM to a newbie.
 
Old 07-17-2004, 05:16 AM   #955
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Lightbulb SPSS?

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SPSS .. It's a program for statistical analysis... though many things can be done in OpenOffice.org I haven't found any specific statistics program for linux that's interoperable with SPSS (university requirement)

so yes, SPSS would be on the top of my list
Hmm,

Back in the day, we had the SPSS program running on our VAX mainframe at my Alma Martyr.

Are you sure that the Unix-flavored SPSS program won't run on your distro? You may have to do some hunting, and also hit the lottery (not a cheap piece of software, if I remember correctly.)

Kyle
 
Old 07-17-2004, 05:29 AM   #956
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Lightbulb Not sure if anybody else mentioned these...

Internet Exploder (I have my reasons, it's the only way to administer our Windows Update Server, and also access some of the better destinations off of our corporate intranet.)

SDS HelpDesk v4. (A cruddy, POS helpdesk database program that we're forced to use.)

Spybody S&D (for remote scanning of winblows boxen.)

Same with Ad-Aware.

The GIMP rocks! And Photoshop Blows!

Print Shop!

No need for Microsoft Orifice, either, we already have a variety of alternatives to choose from.

DeepFreeze, by Faronics.

Palm Desktop (specifically, the version that ships with the newer ones with photo and voice recording conduits.)

Some sort of KDE GUI for McAfee for linux (probably never will happen.)

DirectX (I know, it's blasphemy, but could be useful...)


All of this being said,

Internet exploder some people have gotten to work under Wine (just not me.)

Spybot S&D also seemed to "want" to work under wine.

Didn't try Ad-Aware.

Somehow, the TWAIN acquire bug in Gimp for windows has been fixed. This impacts the timeline of me needing to move from XP to Linux at home. (Gives me more time.)

Print Shop! may or may not work under Wine, but it'd be neat to have a program just like it. From it's first versions on the old 8 bit systems, the print shop user friendliness has set a very high goal for any other app to follow (and most don't.)

DeepFreeze would be useful on Linux at work if we start creating Linux labs and linux classrooms. Check their web site out, if you're interested in what this program does. www.faronics.com

Haven't tried Palm Desktop under Wine, but I doubt that it'd work.

I know, there has been talk about putting DirectX into wine, and there's even a wine flavor of directx (winex.)

Even though OpenGL is the better standard, the standard thrown out by Microsoft is going to be the one that wins the race. It'd be better for the linux crowd to get this nailed. The only problem would be Micro$ofts refusal to share DirectX code with Linux developers.

Heck, at this point and time, I'd settle for some sort of "force DirectX only stuff to work with OpenGL" kind of subroutine.

I gotta get some sleep.
 
Old 07-17-2004, 09:48 AM   #957
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Re: Not sure if anybody else mentioned these...

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... DirectX (I know, it's blasphemy, but could be useful...)
.... Internet exploder some people have gotten to work under Wine (just not me.)
There is an open-source project to create a wrapper for DirectX - how it is going, what happened to - and more importantly: the link! I dunno, I forgot the details - but read it somewhere and downloaded it once.
Also it seemed pretty immature at that stage; but I will see if I can dig it back.

With IE, one certain (more expensive way) is to purchase CrossOver Office; they simply have all the standard tweaks for a list of Wine-runnable app.

It's not a particular waste of money as they do give back all code to the community, the only proprietory part is the GUI and the auto-tweaking (which can be done if you trawl through the WineHQ website).

Come to think of it I think CrossOver and Wine share much of the same developers anyway.

I agree with the DirectX argument.
OpenGL, SDL, Mesa are true open standards; but there has been a game-developer "lock-in" by people being trained in DirectX as an easier(?) way to make games than at least OpenGL.

Exactly how DirectX is different from OpenGL - I don't know.
But I have played with OpenGL - you get tutorials at http://nehe.gamedev.org
 
Old 07-17-2004, 02:18 PM   #958
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Both license for directx and opengl are owned by M$. Directx work directly withe the hardware were as opengl dosn't..Opengl is available on all OS's were as directx is only on Windows. Some programmers are moving away from both due to M$ could at any time require a fee for programmers for including in their sw. A fee could never be charged for Mesa and SDL as they are open source.
 
Old 07-17-2004, 03:43 PM   #959
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Both license for directx and opengl are owned by M$. Directx work directly withe the hardware were as opengl dosn't..Opengl is available on all OS's were as directx is only on Windows. Some programmers are moving away from both due to M$ could at any time require a fee for programmers for including in their sw. A fee could never be charged for Mesa and SDL as they are open source.
That is new.
I never heard that OpenGL is owned by M$.
It will come as a major surprise if that is true - nevertheless I should check that out.
I was under the impression OpenGL was developed by some University on a Solaris.
At one time OpenGL didn't come with Windows - you'd have to install it but that was ages ago prior Windows 98.

OpenGL
SGI / Silicon Graphics

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Old 07-17-2004, 03:49 PM   #960
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4. KNotes - much .. much .. MUCH better than anything ever conceived .. can't live without it. Plus you can change the colours, unlike Outlook notes it runs independant of a software, like Outlook notes it saves on close, unlike Outlook notes you can have it in Rich Text Format .. Ok you got the idea. Brill stuff. Dunno if it behaves well on Gnome tho.
You're probably right regarding Knotes. But I am compelled to use MS Outlook at work. It would be nice if I could come home with my Palm and sync up to the same look -n- feel I get at the office... right now, Ximian gets me everything except the notes.

I will check out the knotes... maybe it will work for me.
 
  


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