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Old 11-20-2003, 10:22 PM   #211
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Well for me native-port of DreamWeaver-MX is a must have.
it is the best web Development tool out there. With almost everyone moving onto Web-arena, you have to have the best web-development tools out there and I see no substitute for DreamWeaver on Linux.
I don't know. Personally I have always felt that the best web development tool is just a text editor. Maybe its me. DreamWeaver just seems like such a crutch, imo.
 
Old 11-20-2003, 10:24 PM   #212
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Photoshop >> Gimp
Dreamweaver >> Mozilla's Composer
3d Studio Max >> Blender
Nero >> ?? (Id use K3b, but I dont run KDE)
Winamp >> XMMS, MP3blaster

Im just using what is available to me at the moment, they arent perfect, but then again I dont have a choice if Im not running windows then do I?
SO for now... nothing unless some kick-ass games come out soon. I kinda miss Sims n Black & White sometimes. I was never much for first-person shooters :P
 
Old 11-21-2003, 08:59 AM   #213
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If for you the best development tool is a text editor, then you are not in the web development business. If you'd have to manage hundreds of pages you need some program that monitors broken links, type things for you, etc.

For Dreamweaver it a must-have. Although it doesn't have to be fully functional. Just the code-view functions. I hardly use the WYSIWYG interface.
 
Old 11-21-2003, 09:55 AM   #214
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Retina Security Scanner.It scans your IP Adress and tells you all security holes and fixes them.
 
Old 11-21-2003, 10:32 AM   #215
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If you know unix and how to code then you don't need dreamweaver. *nix IS a development environment and one which allows for great flexibility and power. The price for that, however, is something of a learning curve, esp. since the environment has traditionally been one of small applications that you can use together in whatever way seems most efficient for you given what you're doing, and it's expected that anyone who calls themselves a 'developer' knows how to script and how to make the most of the environment.

I agree somewhat with pld, at least from the unix perspective, about Dreamweaver being a crutch, except to note that in the windows world crutches are considered 'essential transportation facilitators'. Not surprising since the OS isn't designed to empower you, but to keep you dependent.
 
Old 11-21-2003, 11:24 AM   #216
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http://www.fruityloops.com/

Linux still doesn't have the greatest audio acceleration support, but damn fruityloops is the greatest for making techno loops and stuff. Should I even say Visual Studio .NET, LOL...sure I'm getting used to the whole KDevelop/gvim thing but I was a WIndows developer long before I'd ever even installed a distro of Linux...can't help what your used to...

well aside from the fact that a windows compiler wouldn't be very helpful in a Linux environment. You know what I mean though...heheh...

( I probably just started world war III )
 
Old 11-21-2003, 02:47 PM   #217
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If you know unix and how to code then you don't need dreamweaver. *nix IS a development environment and one which allows for great flexibility and power. ...and it's expected that anyone who calls themselves a 'developer' knows how to script and how to make the most of the environment.

I agree somewhat with pld, at least from the unix perspective, about Dreamweaver being a crutch, except to note that in the windows world crutches are considered 'essential transportation facilitators'.
Do you really know what you are talking about here? *nix is a development oriented os, yes. But mainly from a software developers point of view. Compilers, libraries and such do absolutely nothing for web developement. Personally, I use a text editor. But, I only work on/maintain my own small personal sites. I imagine a streamlined/automated tool would be a necessity in a production environment like the one ernesto speaks of where the idea is to crank out as much work as you can, or risk losing your job to someone that can get it done.

We do have some nice tools for the web amature/hobbiest. Quanta Plus is good, as is Bluefish. But if you were working in an office amongst 50 or so other web design pro's, designing sites that occupy many mb's of space, you would need every advantage you could get; and Dreamweaver is the top dawg.

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Old 11-21-2003, 07:24 PM   #218
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Originally posted by mipia
Photoshop >> Gimp
Dreamweaver >> Mozilla's Composer
3d Studio Max >> Blender
Nero >> ?? (Id use K3b, but I dont run KDE)
Winamp >> XMMS, MP3blaster
You can use k3b in Fluxbox. Flux is what I run, and I use k3b all the time. It is a very nice replacement for Nero.

I hadn't tried Blender before. If it is similar to 3D Studio I am going to have to check it out
 
Old 11-21-2003, 07:59 PM   #219
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Do you really know what you are talking about here?
Yes, I do, since I do it. It doesn't matter squat whether code is compiled or not, especially when dealing with standards. Anyone who knows *nix just rolls their eyes when a web designer says "Oh, but I have to manage hundreds of pages!" and when they mention having to check for broken links, well there's probably a module on cpan.org if you don't want to roll it yourself. Etc.

*nix is the pre-eminent kick ass operating system for dealing with ANY kind of code, period. The only catch is you need to know it and you need to know code.
 
Old 11-21-2003, 09:04 PM   #220
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Well maybe there are a lot pro web designers that don't want to learn how to use 15 different small apps (or code their own) and combine them to get the same job done that one app can accomplish, and that they are probably very comfortable with since the large percentage of pros use Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver is a complete web development environment all by itself.

As Linux gains popularity, there will be more and more people using it that aren't interested in becomming expert *nix admin/programmers, and just want an alternative OS to play & get work done with. These people will want/need their bread and butter apps ported over so they can use them. That would be the point of this thread

Personally, I don't care. I am content with the apps I have. I can accomplish way more now than I ever could in windows with thousands of $$$ worth of software, and I do have an interest in becomming an expert *nix admin so it works for me.

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Anyone who knows *nix just rolls their eyes when a web designer says "Oh, but I have to manage hundreds of pages!" and when they mention having to check for broken links, well there's probably a module on cpan.org if you don't want to roll it yourself.

...and it's expected that anyone who calls themselves a 'developer' knows how to script and how to make the most of the environment.
I just feel that this elitist attitude that gets thrown around here and there by some people grows old fast, and isn't going to help the future growth of Linux in the least. This kind of post is a waste of a perfectly good kilobyte of space.

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Old 11-21-2003, 09:58 PM   #221
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"I just feel that this elitist attitude that gets thrown around all the time by some people grows old fast, and isn't going to help the future growth of Linux in the least."

lol,it's not elitist if you're talking about web development on Linux. If you're talking simple artistic web design then you can get away with less. If you're talking just regular computer use, distributions like Mandrake have come light years in just a few years in terms of ease of install and being able to do stuff after first boot without learning a thing, handy both for folk who don't want to learn much and for solving the 'if I could install it I could learn it but to install it I must have learned it' problem that made LUG installfests such a valuable service once upon a time.

But if you're talking about professional web developers... Well, perhaps it is 'elitist', but then Linux web developers *should* be an elite, they should really know their stuff. They're blessed in so many ways compared to their windows counterparts.

Also I suppose what's especially galling is the idea that Dreamweaver is somehow essential, even though things like html, javascript, and css are totally free, available, and infinitely manipulable. I'd have a lot less issue with such an argument for flash MX. Yes, flash is overused and abused, but in those instances where it would be genuinely useful there is no open source alternative which works as well across a spectrum of browsers, and nothing on the near horizon (far horizon, maybe one day there will be an .svg based flash killer, but I'm not holding my breath).
 
Old 11-21-2003, 10:08 PM   #222
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Ok, I sort of see your point. I hadn't got the impression of Dreamweaver being essential though, just the application of choice for some. Personally, I found it easier and less time consuming to learn to write HTML & CSS to get what I need done than it was to master Dreamweaver. I have become quite fond of Quanta myself. The color coded markup tags, the search and replace, and tabbed windows are enough to make me happy.

To each his own though...
 
Old 11-21-2003, 10:28 PM   #223
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Personally, I found it easier and less time consuming to learn to write HTML & CSS to get what I need done than it was to master Dreamweaver. I have become quite fond of Quanta myself. The color coded markup tags, the search and replace, and tabbed windows are enough to make me happy.
You closet elitist, you're secretly on the path to mastery, aren't you

Those who like Dreamweaver should also keep an eye on quanta development, since Dreamweaver like functionality is on its 'to do' list, though I'm sure it won't be at the expense of the great text editing. The developer is keen on it being a 'windows killer' and to do that he knows he needs to seduce the Dreamweaver fans. I expect quanta will do 'WYSIWYG' long before Macromedia ports Dreamweaver.
 
Old 11-21-2003, 10:48 PM   #224
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You closet elitist, you're secretly on the path to mastery, aren't you
lol. DW is just a massive application. I am more of the sys-admin variety--lazy . I spent many, many hours learning how to use Photoshop well and just didn't have the desire to do it again with something else. Especially when I am not that artistic/creative to begin with. I use the Photoshop bible for arm curls when I get bored, lol.

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Old 11-22-2003, 12:13 PM   #225
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Retina Security Scanner.It scans your IP Adress and tells you all security holes and fixes them.

Retina Security Scanner >> nessus
 
  


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