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Old 12-08-2003, 10:19 AM   #1
CliffLandin
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Cool Web Browsers and Cascading Style Sheets


I am looking for a web browser that can handle cascading style sheets in the same fashion that IE does. I design web pages and have recently converted over to Linux, so previously I would after a quick browser-check, just link you to the IE download site. Being a full convert now, I would rather link them to an alternative browser. Mozilla and others Moz-type browsers don't seem to just accept style-sheets and I'm not making sites for people that know there way around the Preference file.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Old 12-08-2003, 11:31 AM   #2
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Being a webdesigner you will know that not all browser are css capable (css. Which version??).
Asking for a browsers that does something 'IE style' isn't the right question. Which browser conforms to the css (and html) standards that w3c has set, is the right question.

Ok, you might get a bit upset/angry about the above statement. I'll try to explain why: Too many weddisigners take the easy route. Let's make a page that works with IE and forget the rest that's out there. Which makes me......... not happy (counted to 10 first ).

Lets hope that this is what you want to know

But to answer your question:

- opera, up to css 2.1 (http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/)
- firebird, no mention of which version (http://texturizer.net/firebird/features.html)

These two never gave me problems (html 4.01/css 2.1/javascript (snippets) and php).

- netscape (4.7): Nothing but trouble.

Haven't tried any other browsers, although konquerer should be good (hearsay).

Last edited by druuna; 12-08-2003 at 11:32 AM.
 
Old 12-09-2003, 10:54 AM   #3
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Being a webdesigner I do know that all browser don't handle .css the same which is precisely the reason that I posted the question in the first place. And you shouldn't preach when you don't understand the question. I asked if there were any browsers other than IE that handle .css in the same fashion that IE does. More than 60% of internet users browse using IE. So programming to make it easy for them is just smart business. I know all about w3c conventions and how other browsers using the Moz engine, including Firebird, handle .css', but I am trying to find a browser that anyone can use that handles .css' in the same fashion so as to cut in half my programming time therefore making me more productive. :@
 
Old 12-09-2003, 11:48 AM   #4
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I did understand the question and 'preaching' isn't what I was doing.

Trying to explain that browsers should implement css (html etc etc) the way it was meant to and designers following the correct guidelines when programming, that's what I was doing.

A webdesigner that follows the IE path wiil loose 40% of the potential costumers out there, one that follows w3c standards will loose 0%. You do the math (even after being more productive).

But lets not start a flame about the way things are implemented and the way designers program.
 
Old 12-09-2003, 12:04 PM   #5
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Short answer: No.

Longer answer: I'm getting tired of trying to find the right hack to work around IE's broken .css formatting. Different hacks for different versions. Standards?

Things that are sure to raise the hackles of most Mac/Linux/any other non-IE users:
"Best viewed with Internet Explorer"
Links to IE Download sites to "upgrade my browser"
Sites that rely on lots of ActiveX controls to view content

...Just my $0.02
 
Old 12-09-2003, 01:24 PM   #6
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Another problem you will run into is JavaScript... Typically most people design their JavaScript to check for browser version, then implement it differently whether it is Netscape or IE. However... that does NOT mean it will work with Mozilla or Konqueror I have found. (For example coding a scrolling message, or a scrolling menu, works fine with Netscape and IE after doing browser check, but doesn't work with either Konqueror or Mozilla it seems). Here is an example: http://home.cfl.rr.com/lestat/Richard_7.html

Anyone tried Netscape 7 for Linux? TuCows shows it as most popular, gives it 5 stars, and it supposedly integrates with RealPlayer (which other browsers give an error when trying to view videos in browser).
 
Old 12-09-2003, 01:27 PM   #7
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Quote:
I am looking for a web browser that can handle cascading style sheets in the same fashion that IE does.
I find this statement a bit confusing to read. ...unless it was a sarcasm.

Currently, Internet Explorer is the only browser that lacks proper rendering of CSS2 tags. I'm not kidding, nor trying to be rude. Browsers like Mozilla render standard-complient pages much better then any other browser.

If you link to an CSS page, Mozilla expects to receive a page of the mime-type text/css.

If you claim to be a standard-complient page (I would recommend using XHTML, I expect this is the future), Mozilla gives you exactly what you said. no strings attached. better make sure you understand the rules

The website of mozilla has a nice page for web-developers too: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/

Last edited by yapp; 12-09-2003 at 01:30 PM.
 
Old 12-09-2003, 02:45 PM   #8
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I understand all of this, the answer , Short answer "No", was really sufficient. I wasn't trying to buck convention. I was really only asking if any other browser handled cascading style sheets in the same manner that IE did. I don't use IE, I use either Galeon or Firebird depending on the mood and I check all my sites using Mozilla and Netscape. So thank you for your responses, I didn't mean to get snippy.
 
Old 12-09-2003, 08:58 PM   #9
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Given that IE has so many (ahem) unique features when it comes to CSS, a true test of what sites look like in IE is probably to run IE itself. I hear that the most recent versions of Wine will run IE respectably; to get an even more accurate representation, you could use an environment like VMWare.

Having done a fair amount of standards-based design myself, I know that it's possible to make sites that look decent in IE while being standards-compliant and nice-looking in other, good browsers. And of course, you can use CSS to suggest to the IE users that they get a real browser
 
  


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