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Old 12-11-2009, 08:56 AM   #1
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Post Updates for Linux


I am new to Linux, and try to make a point to people I sell to equipment, about the advantages of Linux. I am concentrating on two areas: Viruses and number of Updates needed per year. Now I will love somebody experimented in Linux to help me load ammunitions to overcome IT guys enamored with BG and Windows. Thanks for your support. Newton Solomon
 
Old 12-11-2009, 10:13 AM   #2
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Do you consider more or less security updates a good thing? Personally I would rather have updates every day to immediately address security issues, rather than have the maintainers sit on issues while they bundle them together into larger updates.

Your wording seems to indicate you think an advantage of Linux is that there are fewer required security updates, which is simply not the case. I don't have a link at the moment, but the last time I read up on it, the average Linux distribution has many more security updates per year than any Windows version does.

Linux is not perfect, there are glitches and problems, and there are certainly security issues as well. The difference, and one of the fundamental reasons Linux remains more secure than comparable Windows systems is because of the rapid response time to security threats. The open nature of the OS lends itself to peer-review and quick updates, whereas with a closed source system like Windows, you are left to the mercy of Microsoft as to how and when a security issue will be fixed (or indeed, how and when Microsoft will even admit there is an issue).
 
Old 12-11-2009, 12:32 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by newtonNBI View Post
...Viruses and number of Updates needed per year....enamored with BG and Windows.
You can't really compare an MS 'patch tuesday' update in a quantitative way with anything that happens on any Linux distro that I know of. Linux updates tend to be so much more fine-grained that comparing the two numbers means nothing.

Viruses are uncommon - not impossible, but hardly something that happens commonly, with responsible use - and are really not an issue with Linux. OTOH, far from all of the examples of malware are viruses, so discussing viruses in isolation is meaningless too (not that Linux is particularly susceptible to any of the various flavours of malware available, just that a discussion of viruses alone, rather than the whole field of malware, is pretty much useless).

I don't think that I've helped you make your point in any way; did you want to try a different question?
 
Old 12-11-2009, 04:25 PM   #4
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Like the others, I don't see the number as updates as a disadvantage, on the contrary.

But the way Windows does these updates is plainly irritating. (I don't hopefully have to explain this?)

If for example you are using Debian Stable, you can do the security updates automatically in the background. Your users would not even notice, let alone get pop-ups. (Don't try to do this with Debian Testing though)

Ubuntu might have the same update mechanism as Debian for security, but to keep on track with the latest and the greatest you are expected to update your installation twice a year, more or less in the Windows way. That might NOT be what you want, so be careful if you look at this distro.

The Fedora family or Red Hat Enterprise families might have other policies on (security) updates, some might be acceptable for you, some are not.

The really big advantage is the limited vulnerability to viruses. Most Windows computers I have seen the past few years use 40%-60% of CPU time for their virus scanning (and not to speak of disk access) while you do file operations, which is exactly when you don't want your computer to be slow.

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Old 12-11-2009, 06:08 PM   #5
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The other problem you run into is, what distro are you talking about? Lets take two RH based distros Centos and Fedora. Since Fedora is a development distro it will have literally thousands(probably tens of thousands) of updates within its thirteen month life cycle. Centos (or RHEL) is and Enterprise (stable) release and will likely have less than 1/4 the number of updates as Fedora(over the same time period.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 07:16 PM   #6
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as above if Fedora expect about 3 Gig ( yes gig ) of updates every 3 months

but updates in linux ARE a bit different than MS's updates

Linux ones can be SECURITY , or just a newer version of something that is still evolving and growing

"Linux " per say is JUST the kernel .The operating system and Desktop ALL are continuously growing and changing
so an example

Arch linux

the OS is a allways / continuously changing distro

updates ,here are like taking a MS windows 98 box
and having weekly updates turn it into XP then as the weeks add up xp slowly changes in to vista , and as time goes on the weekly updates change it into windows 7
 
Old 12-11-2009, 11:10 PM   #7
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The great advantage of Linux is that you don't need to reboot the system after updates. I have one system I just checked uptime, and it's been up for 161 days. Spyware and popups are less of a problem on Linux. Linux is more secure than Windows. Linux will run on defective hardware. Linux comes with almost every driver it needs. Windows needs the user to load drivers.

Linux is discrete. Windows broadcasts what oyu want kept private, all over the Internet. Linux software is free. There are 10 times the number of Linux programs as there are Windows programs. Linux is an industrial grade, reference standard os, tested by the entire world. Windows is closed source software. So no one knows for sure what it actually does. Linux is open source software, so you can look at the source code and see what it does.

Linux uses reference standard networking. Linux has ip packet filtering firewalling built into the kernel. Windows uses a software firewall. Debian Linux has 25,000 included sotware packages. Windows has about five. Linux lets you install all software using the same package management interface.

Windows blue screens at the slightest provocation. Linux is fault tolerant. Linux will work while submerged in water. Windows crashes under water. Windows is a spyware trojan. Linux is a computer operating system.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 11:11 PM   #8
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The great advantage of Linux is that you don't need to reboot the system after updates. I have one system I just checked uptime, and it's been up for 161 days. Spyware and popups are less of a problem on Linux. Linux is more secure than Windows. Linux will run on defective hardware. Linux comes with almost every driver it needs. Windows needs the user to load drivers.

Linux is discrete. Windows broadcasts what oyu want kept private, all over the Internet. Linux software is free. There are 10 times the number of Linux programs as there are Windows programs. Linux is an industrial grade, reference standard os, tested by the entire world. Windows is closed source software. So no one knows for sure what it actually does. Linux is open source software, so you can look at the source code and see what it does.

Linux uses reference standard networking. Linux has ip packet filtering firewalling built into the kernel. Windows uses a software firewall. Debian Linux has 25,000 included sotware packages. Windows has about five. Linux lets you install all software using the same package management interface.

Windows blue screens at the slightest provocation. Linux is fault tolerant. Linux will work while submerged in water. Windows crashes under water. Windows is a spyware trojan. Linux is a computer operating system.
 
Old 12-11-2009, 11:32 PM   #9
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The great advantage of Linux is that you don't need to reboot the system after updates. I have one system I just checked uptime, and it's been up for 161 days. Spyware and popups are less of a problem on Linux. Linux is more secure than Windows. Linux will run on defective hardware. Linux comes with almost every driver it needs. Windows needs the user to load drivers.

Linux is discrete. Windows broadcasts what oyu want kept private, all over the Internet. Linux software is free. There are 10 times the number of Linux programs as there are Windows programs. Linux is an industrial grade, reference standard os, tested by the entire world. Windows is closed source software. So no one knows for sure what it actually does. Linux is open source software, so you can look at the source code and see what it does.

Linux uses reference standard networking. Linux has ip packet filtering firewalling built into the kernel. Windows uses a software firewall. Debian Linux has 25,000 included sotware packages. Windows has about five. Linux lets you install all software using the same package management interface.

Windows blue screens at the slightest provocation. Linux is fault tolerant. Linux will work while submerged in water. Windows crashes under water. Windows is a spyware trojan. Linux is a computer operating system.
 
  


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