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Old 11-03-2014, 03:00 PM   #1
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Tor is not as great as I though


Hi

I was trying the tor proxy to see how well it works. I've noticed that some sites don't work properly when going through tor.

For example, I tried to log in to LQ with tor, but it wouldn't let me. Some sites complained that I need flash even though I have flash installed on my system.

Are these the effects we get when using proxies? Are there work-a-arounds to make flash and login issues work when using tor? Thanks
 
Old 11-03-2014, 03:35 PM   #2
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For example, I tried to log in to LQ with tor, but it wouldn't let me.
Probably not TOR's fault, see https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...re-4175524176/


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Some sites complained that I need flash even though I have flash installed on my system. (..) Are there work-a-arounds to make flash and login issues work when using tor?
Probably not the answer that you were looking for but if you are part of TOR's intended audience you shouldn't use Flash or Java anyway. TOR is about anonymity not about comfortable browsing experiences including all bells and whistles.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 03:37 PM   #3
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Yeah, Tor is pretty useless to watch porn online
https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TBBFlash

However you can download it and watch when you offline. It isn't a good idea, but it's more secure.

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Are there work-a-arounds to make flash and login issues work when using tor?
Firefox is workaround. If you agree to breake your anonimity by using plugins, obviously you do not need Tor.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 04:19 PM   #4
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I thought browsing the web with tor would be the same experience as going through your ISP. I was wrong. Tor is not for me...

Thanks unSpawn and Teufel for the info.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 04:26 PM   #5
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The issue with plugins is you breaking not your anonimity only, but all the people that involved in you current P2P net. That's the problem
 
Old 11-03-2014, 04:36 PM   #6
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I think I understand. We have to sacrifice some functionalities of a browser to keep the anonymity.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 05:29 PM   #7
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Tor does NOT guarantee anonymity. I think you should first ask yourself exactly what you want, then decide on the correct solution. For me, Adblock and NoScript are plenty for maintaining a good level of privacy and browser security. I don't think most people need nor want full anonymity ... and those that do are usually up to no good.
 
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Maybe so, but not everyone who uses tor are criminals or have criminal intentions. People just want to browse the web in private, even if the powers that be, can circumvent the tor traffic. Anyway, I'm new to using tor and it's not for me as it hinders web browsing quite a bit.

My real intentions for trying tor was to protect myself from tracking by advertisers and spyware.

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Old 11-03-2014, 06:34 PM   #9
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My real intentions for trying tor was to protect myself from tracking by advertisers and spyware.
Yeah, I think most people think this as well. I don't think it is the right solution.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 11:19 AM   #10
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Most security is common sense. I never got spam until I tried to post a comment on a newspaper's website. It had been hacked, so the paper never got my comment but a spammer got my email address. That was entirely my own fault: I should have used a dummy address at mailinator.com.

I use Opera, which provides very quick disabling and enabling of extras. That way, I only enable javascript for sites that need it (like this one) and flash for Youtube. My cookies are set to be deleted when the program shuts down and I have a script that runs at boot-up to delete all flash cookies.
 
Old 11-04-2014, 04:33 PM   #11
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My cookies are set to be deleted when the program shuts down and I have a script that runs at boot-up to delete all flash cookies.
fstab:
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tmpfs	/home/user/.macromedia	tmpfs	default	0 0
Once firefox installed and configured (plugins, bookmarks, allowed cookies from sites like LQ) I compress firefox profile as squashfs and mounting it read-only + aufs at bootup. No matter what a crap was collected during browsing (cached files, cookies etc). On next boot firefox will start with preconfigured profile.
 
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Old 11-04-2014, 06:26 PM   #12
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Newer firefox has private browsing mode, where it doesn't store any cookies. I don't use flash player, so I don't care about that, but last I remember you can configure it to not store cookies either.
 
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If the flash plugin is installed, it can store cookies even if you never click on a flash element, and the last time I checked the configuration offered at Adobe's site didn't actually work.

As well as cookies and flash cookies, there's also persistent storage. I wouldn't want to start a clean browser every day: without persistent storage I'd have to keep reseting my location and preferences for the weather forecast. I may be secure, but I'm not paranoid!
 
Old 11-05-2014, 12:16 PM   #14
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As for me, the main reason to use Tor isn't a cookie, flash-cookie, local persistent storage, tracking or ads. These things are bit annoying, but it isn't a major problem.
The main reason is censorship. Probably if you living in London it isn't actual, but for me it does matter. I do not want my IPS will decide which sources I can visit and which I can't.
 
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there is also the issue of the "forever" cookies in
~/.adobe/Flash_Player
~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects
~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com

link all three to /dev/null

but what "whois" wants looks to be a proxy or a vpn

then use "hide my ass" ( google it )
but DO SOME RESEARCH !!!!! on those open proxies
and use some common sense
if you are in Tibet you do not want to use a Chinese proxy
 
  


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