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ptay1685 11-04-2005 04:03 PM

multimedia dist that works
 
Anyone know of a Linux distro that has not only extensive multimedia support but that also works out of the box?

I am currently using Ubuntu, and have installed MPlayer, TVTime, Zapping, etc, and none of it works properly.

I dont want to have to make repairs, edit scripts, etc. I just want it to work.

I am using a Digital TV tuner and wish to view and record Digital TV programs, and also play DVD's. At present I can do none of these.

A post to the Ubuntu forums re Digital TV support has so far gone unanswered.

My suspicion is that Linux multimedia support is basically not there at the moment, but I do keep hearing of people who supposedly can do the things I want to do.

Any suggestions?

:cry:

Back_to_Linux 11-04-2005 04:14 PM

perhaps you need to recompile these applications to meet more efficently your configuration.
In the past, i've installed a miro TV with an ASUS TNT, drived by Xawdecode + plugin NAGRA, a DVD player and a DVD recorder. for me it was fine for my Bi-pIII 500Mhz 512 Mo. the record of TV seems like a VHS for Xawdecode, and my DVD saved with transcode were very fine.
What type of machine you are ?

bryanlking 11-04-2005 04:32 PM

Try PCLinuxOS. It comes with pretty much all of the multimedia stuff preinstalled. Works great.

ptay1685 11-04-2005 05:17 PM

machine + compiling
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Back_to_Linux
perhaps you need to recompile these applications to meet more efficently your configuration.
In the past, i've installed a miro TV with an ASUS TNT, drived by Xawdecode + plugin NAGRA, a DVD player and a DVD recorder. for me it was fine for my Bi-pIII 500Mhz 512 Mo. the record of TV seems like a VHS for Xawdecode, and my DVD saved with transcode were very fine.
What type of machine you are ?

Thanks for the informative reply.

Don't really want to get into recompiling - its all too hard and problematical. Getting the right source. Then you find zillions of libraries that are missing. Then you find they are not in the repository. Then you get compile errors and no idea what causes them. Can't be bothered.

My PC setup is Gigabyte 7NNXP motherboard (nVidia nForce 2), AMD Athlon 2500XP cpu (1.8 Ghz), three quarters of a Gig DDR ram, Leadtek Winfast A360TD graphics card (nVidia FX5700) with VIVO connected to VCR for analogue TV, Panasonic LF-D521 DVD-RAM/DVD- writer IDE master, Ricoh MP5240A DVD+ IDE slave, Lite-On CD burner on USB-2, Seagate 80GB HD on IDE, Seagate 120GB HD on SATA, Nebula DigiTV DVB-T external digital TV tuner on USB-2.

I have the PC setup with multiple partitions, which have Windows XP, FreeBSD 5.4, Ubuntu Linux 5.10 (Breezy), Foresight Linux on them at present

:Pengy: :study: :confused:

ptay1685 11-04-2005 05:19 PM

tried it before
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bryanlking
Try PCLinuxOS. It comes with pretty much all of the multimedia stuff preinstalled. Works great.
I tried it some time ago and could'nt even get the install to work. I think it either hung or would not bring up X properly.

Might give it another try if no other option presents itself.

Thanks.


:Pengy: :cool:

teckk 11-04-2005 08:15 PM

Mplayer will play just about all the media formats and streams that there are. You will have to have the correct codecs installed. A lot of distros are not including the codecs because of patent issues.
You will have to make your box work. Mplayer has all the instructions that you need to make it work on their site.
http://www4.mplayerhq.hu./homepage/design7/news.html
http://www4.mplayerhq.hu./homepage/design7/dload.html
http://www4.mplayerhq.hu./homepage/d...info.html#docs

For real media there is Real Player
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads/

Both have plugins that will launch the players within your browser embedded.
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html

Xmms is a good media player
Grip is a good ripper
Audacity is a good recorder

I use all of them and they work.

jlo_sandog 11-06-2005 01:55 PM

Well to setup media on linux requires a little work and some reading (reading makes you smart.)
I use mplayer, gxine, and Real on linux and they all work very well. Took some reading initially. If you don't want to take the time stay with windows.

keefaz 11-06-2005 02:13 PM

Quote:

If you don't want to take the time stay with windows.
Amen.

I don't stand why open source softwares users don't want to take some of
their time to learn how to install and use the programs...

How much time does that take in comparaison to the software author ?

fair_is_fair 11-06-2005 02:13 PM

alinux.

http://ibiblio.org/peanut/

ptay1685 11-06-2005 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by keefaz
Amen.

I don't stand why open source softwares users don't want to take some of
their time to learn how to install and use the programs...

How much time does that take in comparaison to the software author ?

I can't understand why the software author(s), who has already spent thousands of hours developing the software, cannot spend just another 10 minutes setting up the software so that it works.

Instead I have to spend hours searching and debugging to do what the developer, who knows the software inside out, could do in no time at all. Also, he is one person, whearas the users are many. If each user spends five hours to set up the software, and there are a million users, thats 5 million wasted hours.

I want to USE linux, not develope software for it or be an unpaid beta tester.

And what are all these distros for? Hundreds of different distros and none of them ever work properly. They seem to be there so that users can all choose different sets of bugs.

I install version one of a distro, and the DVD player will work. Next version and it no longer works. Next version and it starts working again. Next version there is no sound. Next version the sound comes back but the video dissappears. Next version it works again but crashes occasionally. Next version and no longer works at all. Round and round and round....

To my mind Linux is not so much advancing as going round in ever decreasing circles. When will these people ever just get it right?

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

ptay1685 11-06-2005 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jlo_sandog
Well to setup media on linux requires a little work and some reading (reading makes you smart.)
I use mplayer, gxine, and Real on linux and they all work very well. Took some reading initially. If you don't want to take the time stay with windows.

I simply dont want to be bothered. It wouldnt be so bad if I had to do it once, but I upgrade my exsiting distros and try new distros on a regular basis, so I have to do this configuration again and again. And each distro or version of a distro changes the requirements, forcing one to reevaluate and change the procedure each time.

Sorry, not worth the bother.

Thats why I posted this thread, to see if someone could point me to a distro that didnt need to be fixed.

As you say, I will continue with windows until a properly configure distro comes along. It might happen one day! One day someone will get it right. I have this dream....

Funnily enough probably one of the only Unix systems I have tried that did play DVD's out of the box was PC-BSD which is based on FreeBSD. Shows it can be done.

cp0ff 11-07-2005 11:47 AM

"I simply dont want to be bothered."

then stop using a computer.:scratch:

ptay1685 11-07-2005 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cp0ff
"I simply dont want to be bothered."

then stop using a computer.:scratch:

... Or alternatively wait until someone with a brain does the job properly for once and produces something that works and does not need to be fixed? No disrespect but I prefer the latter. It makes more sense.

If you went out and bought a DVD player which wouldnt play a DVD, and when you took it back to the shop were given a screwdriver and told to fix it, would you? And if you said you didnt want to be bothered to fix it and that it should work properly out of the box the smart alec salesperson said (like you have just done to me) "Well if you cant be bothered dont buy a DVD player" - what I wonder would your reaction be? Not I am sure the reaction you had to my post.



:rolleyes:

cp0ff 11-07-2005 11:40 PM

I have personally never used a computer operating system that did'nt have some
annoying eccentricities.. windows 95,NT,98,me,00,xp,atari/ gem, mac 8-10,
be-os, bsd, and 3 or 4 Linux distros.... all have had their own unique ups and downs
in different proportions. It was a personal desision for me to put up with the benifits
AND irritating crap that Linux had to offer because I felt like the problems I had in
windows (virus' , spys, worms, fragmentation, and the CLOSED-behind-the-scenes
inner workings) were issues I faced because of someone elses assumpions and agenda.
the problems you speak of with Linux are largely because of the nessecity of many of these programs
to be available and usable for numerous unix-linux flavors, and the installation of beta stuff instead of release.
these problems stopped me cold 5 years ago.
most larger linux distros have some kind of software automation feature.
today I use mandrake-linux and the urpmi software database/autoinstall feature.
I synthesize and compose music, watch DVDs and TV (still trying to record),
pull pics from my camera and doctor them, surf the internet, serve a web-page,
and set up a wi-fi hotspot for my workplace ALL IN LINUX, ALL FOR FREE.
I am as much a hacker/guru type as I am a purple flying monkey with octopus tentacles.

many people suffer from "M$ lock-in" where you come to believe that if it does'nt work like windows,
it must be lacking" like saying basketball is not a good sport because you cannot score
a touchdown.

your desicions should be based on your priorities and personal needs.

from what I've seen, many people here will help you the best they can to solve individual problems,
but do not take too kindly to people with an FIX MY PROBLEMS OR I'LL TURN AROUND AND STOMP BACK TO THE SUPERIOR REALM FROM WHENCE I CAME! -type attitude.

it all boils down to........ - use what pisses you off the LEAST!

;)

ptay1685 11-08-2005 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cp0ff

but do not take too kindly to people with an FIX MY PROBLEMS OR I'LL TURN AROUND AND STOMP BACK TO THE SUPERIOR REALM FROM WHENCE I CAME! -type attitude.

;)

The kind of attitude you are talking about does not relate to me at all. You should not make assumptions about people based on nothing. You should give me the benefit of the doubt, and not simply assume I am a pig headed idiot just so you can vent your spleen on me and give yourself something to do. I may have the attitude you mention, but I may not. Kindly proceed without the guesswork.

As to using what pisses me off least, I am already doing that. The DVB tuner I am using comes with its own Windows XP software which works out of the box. You tell me - why should I bother wading through zillions of forums, hacking around with scripts, all to achieve what I already have for nothing? Its not an unreasonable attitude - its simple common sense.

I have already paid for Windows XP. If I had not then I might decide the time and effort is worth the saving of a few hundred dollars, but as I say I have already parted with the dosh.

I would prefer to use Linux eventually and be able to get rid of Windows, which I hate for ethical reasons as well as cost reasons.

Also as I may have already mentioned in this thread (or perhaps some other) you dont have to solve the problem once, but many times with each new distro / version. Every time they release something it changes.

There is a disease in the software industry which means that everything goes round and round rather than moving forward. With Microsoft its a business strategy to keep the dollars flowing in. With Linux is the result of lots of individuals hacking away without any proper coordination or thinking ahead.

I have been a software developer most of my life - I am now over 50 - so I know what I am talking about. We have all become so used to the software industry pumping out half finished software with lots of missing functionality and tons of bugs that we have become desensitised to it.

If people like you choose to wrestle with problems and fix it youselves, fine. But please appreciate that not everyone wants to do that. I spend enough time fixing software for money, without having to do it at home in my spare time for nothing.


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