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Old 11-15-2003, 01:05 PM   #1
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MP3 Encoder- Best?


I was just wodnering in everyoen opion what MP3 encoder was found to be the ebst for 192 kps range or higher. speed is not much of deal to me and which ones have the ID3 tagging. AND ANOTHER question, do doesn anythign reallign think OGG files sound better? i would use them instead but not alot of support from portable mp3 players, tahnks to any anwsers
 
Old 11-15-2003, 01:25 PM   #2
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Absolutely. 128Kbit ogg sounds as good as 192 MP3. I encode OGG at VBR 192 and even with the busiest of music, (Tubular Bells II), I can never hear a flaw. I have all ogg, and simply burn music CDs direct from the hard drive and honestly can't hear a difference from the origional. Before Ogg (Redhat 7.0 timeframe) I used MP3, and even at CBR 192, the quality was alright, but there was always 'static' on high frequency parts, and during busy music. Quality=quality, ogg is about 30% smaller and sounds better.

http://www.infoanarchy.org/story/2002/9/8/23472/23921
'The renowned German computer magazine c't has run the largest audio format comparison test to date, and Ogg Vorbis has emerged as the clear winner'

http://www.rediff.com/search/2003/jan/07music.htm
' Vorbis on the other hand used superior acoustic models to reduce the damage.'

http://www.phataudio.org/modules.php...rder=1&thold=0
'OGG is the clear winner here, winning both the high and low bitrate comparisons, but that doesn't mean AAC is a bad format. A 128 kbps AAC file is noticeably better than the MP3 equivalent, but for now OGG is the king of the lossy formats.'

Note: Notlame Pro ($) may work as good, don't know. It is the next gen encoder.

I still use notlame to convert from ogg to MP3 for my DVD player. I have to set the MP3 quality at notlame -h -V3 which gives almost as good a quality, but at around 9 Meg/mp3. I bought the DVD player ($29.95 at Best Buy), however, will NOT buy a portable player till ogg is supported. In the article above...

'It also means that you can put twice as much music in near CD quality on a portable Ogg Vorbis player as on a portable MP3 player -- if you're happy with MP3 at 128 kbps, you should also be happy with Ogg Vorbis at 64 kbps.'

RO
 
Old 11-15-2003, 01:38 PM   #3
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thanks now what about ogg hardware?
 
Old 11-15-2003, 01:50 PM   #4
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Ahhh, tis the problem. Ogg support on the computer can be found for every player, but portable is harder.

Sharp Zuarus PDA supports it, but I don't need a PDA, but this one, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/32273.html I may buy when it comes out. I don't really need a 20Gig player, and at $399, ouch. Neuros http://www.neurosaudio.com/ has beta drivers for ogg available, and Iriver are reportadly close to offering ogg support.

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Old 11-21-2003, 08:05 AM   #5
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get the best encoder for mp3 here .
its better to use it with preconfigured presets... "--alt-preset standard" is the best compromise between size and quality, i use it on my ipod, it sounds really good. ogg or mpc are also good but are not very "portable", stick to mp3 for the moment...
 
Old 11-21-2003, 10:18 AM   #6
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If you want something you can use with a portable mp3 player, use lame.


Personally, I have a tin ear, but those in the "know" about mp3 quality swear by lame with the --alt-preset r3mix and its what I use.
 
Old 11-21-2003, 11:15 AM   #7
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DirtDart, the --r3mix switch is outdated. --alt-preset standard sounds considerably better in recent (post 3.91, I believe) versions. Grab Lame 3.93.1 from source and install it (it has never failed for me - ./configure; make; su -c "make install").

Håkan
 
Old 11-22-2003, 07:12 AM   #8
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--alt-preset standard sounds considerably better in recent (post 3.91, I believe) versions. Grab Lame 3.93.1 from source and install it (it has never failed for me - ./configure; make; su -c "make install").
3.93.1 is NOT the official alt-presets release, it does NOT give better results ( on the opposite ).
3.90.3 (link above) is the official tweaked version of LAME for alt-presets!!!
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Old 11-22-2003, 07:24 AM   #9
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the --r3mix switch is outdated. --alt-preset standard sounds considerably better in recent
Thanks for the info. Read about the --r3mix setting and kinda never looked at it again. But then again, I have a tin ear.
 
Old 11-22-2003, 04:04 PM   #10
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Originally posted by hulkt
3.93.1 is NOT the official alt-presets release, it does NOT give better results ( on the opposite ).
3.90.3 (link above) is the official tweaked version of LAME for alt-presets!!!
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"Official tweaked version"
Whose official tweaked version? Not mp3dev.org (official Lame) anyway.

I use Lame 3.93.1, which uses the same presets as most "tweaked" 3.90.[2|3] versions. Now, if I want a certain noise shaping, I just enable it on the command line.

Håkan
 
Old 11-23-2003, 07:26 AM   #11
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3.93.1 is not recommended for --alt-preset.
even though presets do work with this version, it is NOT the official version for the presets. its not optimized.

3.93.1 (official lame) and 3.90.3 (official lame --altprest) are different dev. branches...

check hydrogenaudio.org and you'll understand. i wouldnt advice anyone to use 3.93.1 with --aps or --ape as it hasnt been either optimized or tweaked or tested for this version!!!
 
  


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