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Old 11-23-2010, 08:45 PM   #16
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Do ATI and nVidia offer linux drivers side by side with their Windows and Mac drivers on their website? No? Then its not officially supported. That's what I mean. Obviously.
Ehm, what? May be you should have a look at their websites, they offer Linux drivers there "side-by-side" with Windows-drivers. And we go even one step more, we don't have to download Intel drivers for Intel graphics chips, because they are already included by Intel. That is official support.
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But I've never used anti-virus software on windows or mac and I've gotten one virus that I accidentally installed myself in many many years.
How can you know that without using antivirus software? It is not so that the virus says "Hello World!! Here I am!".
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The number of bugs and issues I have to deal with for a linux desktop far exceeds the number I have to deal with on windows or a mac.
I don't have to deal with bugs, that does my update function, it gives me an update for the all my apps, at that time a patch is available. On Windows I have a "patch day" once a month, so that it can be that Microsoft leaves you unpatched for 30 days, but there were already cases that bugs and security holes were not patched for years. And I have to update every installed application itself, no centralized updates. That is what I call "I have to deal with bugs and issues".
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And far far less software is supported.
There are more than 30.000 packages in the main repository of my distro, and there are a lot of unofficial repos. I think what you mean is "My proprietary Windows app is not supported on Linux." (maybe it will even run with wine), but that is definitely not the fault of Linux, but of the developers of this apps that there is no Linux port.
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It doesn't mean linux doesn't have some real strengths, but user-friendly desktops aren't one of them.
My Linux desktops do work exactly like I want, look like I want, and I know how they work. At first, you are simply not able to achieve this with Windows, and second, how can they be more user-friendly?

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Old 11-23-2010, 08:47 PM   #17
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I came into the world of linux less than 2 months ago... I had no clue how to do ANYTHING. I didn't even know what the file system was . A week into I could do alot of powerful stuff I never would've thought could be done by someone like me... Now, if I had never EVER used Windows and was just switching, It would take me ALONG time to do what I did in Linux. And most MAJOR companies support Linux, (Google anyone?) and make hardware for it. Even Broadcom is getting better about it, and they're pretty darn stubborn.

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Old 11-23-2010, 08:53 PM   #18
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My Linux desktops do work exactly like I want, look like I want, and I know how they work. At first, you are simply not able to achieve this with Windows, and second, how can they be more user-friendly?
Exactly! You could probably change Linux around and make it Look EXACTLY like Windows (Thank you open source) then throw a random person in front of them, and they will think it is the exact same thing, IF YOU WANTED TO. But little would they know the box their sitting at has tenfold the power of Windows.
 
Old 11-23-2010, 09:13 PM   #19
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You know what we can say? We can say The Future is Open! M$ can't say that, if you understand me. That's the power of Linux. And here's the video from IBM that shows that. A great video; Prodigy.
 
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:19 PM   #20
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Whatever.

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Old 11-23-2010, 11:38 PM   #21
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Whatever.
Nice comeback. I reckon the discussion just ended.
 
Old 11-24-2010, 12:17 AM   #22
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Linux is so customizable you can strip down a Linux operating system down to 50 Megabytes and still be fully functional. My example DSL("Dang Small Linux" is what I like to call it.) Gentoo is a fully customizable distribution you can edit the provided Python scripts to install any package you want.

For anyone who doesn't want to learn a new operating system stick them with Ubuntu and make it look like windows they have a script out there for that. If you want help with your Linux machine there are at least 50,000 people willing to help you. If you don't like viruses Linux is for you.(Considering you don't download random junk off the Internet and like to play with the file permissions.)

When I was researching Linux for the first time I found a list of reasons why to switch. A few reasons were if you want something you can customize, keep your porn safe(I am not a fan myself of it.), or etc. (I put porn in bold to get your attention, well it worked.)

Ever since I switched to Linux windows for me has been like . Linux is as simple as you make it. If you are a C or C++ programmer looking for code Linux is your gateway not mentioning Unix and Unix based operating systems are the programmers operating systems.

All I have to say is for your thought.
The threads that you posted into are not appropriate in the areas of this forum except the general.
 
Old 11-24-2010, 02:56 AM   #23
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Do ATI and nVidia offer linux drivers side by side with their Windows and Mac drivers on their website? No? Then its not officially supported. That's what I mean. Obviously.
Just so you know ATI open source many of there drivers. Some distributions you don't even need to download them.
 
Old 11-24-2010, 06:51 AM   #24
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Nice comeback. I reckon the discussion just ended.
No, I wrote a bunch of stuff and deleted it. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people.
 
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Old 11-27-2010, 06:57 PM   #25
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Just so you know ATI open source many of there drivers. Some distributions you don't even need to download them.
AMD does not. Xorg writes drivers their own drivers for AMD graphics which they are open sourced while AMD makes their own drivers which are proprietary. AMD does not own the open source drivers that Xorg is writing. You can say that there is an Xorg developer working in house of AMD to help write the open source drivers or Xorg drivers for AMD graphics.
 
Old 11-27-2010, 09:29 PM   #26
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Do ATI and nVidia offer linux drivers side by side with their Windows and Mac drivers on their website? No? Then its not officially supported. That's what I mean. Obviously.
Not to make you look stupid, but actually nVidia and AMD graphics does provide support for Linux and they provide you option to pick Linux drivers if the web server or your browser did not bring up the correct page for your operating system. Some manufactures that supply graphic cards does in fact have Linux drivers stored on the driver disc.

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As for virus protection, yeah, linux viruses and worms are rare. But I've never used anti-virus software on windows or mac and I've gotten one virus that I accidentally installed myself in many many years. So I could just as easily ask what are you doing to your windows and macs systems to cause them to be so unstable.
Windows registry is where all programs write to, so the inconsistency and improper writes to the registry gets corrupted over time. There is no way to fix this. Sure there is gazillion programs to help fix the registry, but all of them does not clean up all the crap. Just on usage Windows screws it self up because it does not double check it self to write to memory.

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The number of bugs and issues I have to deal with for a linux desktop far exceeds the number I have to deal with on windows or a mac. And far far less software is supported. That's just how it is. It doesn't mean linux doesn't have some real strengths, but user-friendly desktops aren't one of them.
I have experience a lot of bugs in several operating systems. IMHO, Windows is the most buggiest operating system in my life. Linux is not created to be user friendly. Sure there are distributions that try to do that like Ubuntu and Sabayon, but they are far to be friendly. Windows and Mac OS are not friendly either. I wish that Windows 7 is as friendly like it is in its commercials, but it does not work that way. I had issues with Windows 7 trying to setup a network printer. My Linux system running CUPS easily setup the network printer. The network printer is behind Windows XP. Please do not tell me or others that Windows is friendly.

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If you've had an easier time setting up a linux system than a windows or a mac than you're lucky. Right now, I've got occasional graphics glitches, occasionally the usb driver crashes, sound was working but stopped with a library update. On a debian testing system I have, things have been pretty stable and that's definitely improved in terms of ease-of-install. But its never going to work as well as an officially supported OS. And even on that debian system that's been pretty solid, there's all kinds of stuff that just works out of the box on another OS that linux is spotty with.
There is a problem with your statement. Who saids that you have to be lucky to have an easier time to use operating system like Linux or an easier time to use computers. From experience pre-compile distributions are the worst to use if you want to learn Linux. They are OK to setup a computer for a specialized task like a HTPC, a server, or a dumb terminal, but not for someone that wants their setup to be updated every week or month. The best way for keeping up with updates is use Linux distributions that have rolling releases like Arch Linux and Gentoo.

Using GUI installs for Linux is the worst way to install Linux. There is no sure way it will work all the time. Also Linux is a fixed system, so any updates will ruin the setup. Compiling programs is the only way for Linux. Windows and Mac OS are variable systems. Linux is all about doing thing manually, but Windows and Mac OS is about doing thing by GUI. Doing things by GUI does not always work, so you have to resort doing things manually. Mac OS X does provides an option to configure manually while Windows still have to be configured by GUI.

Gentoo has made the compile process easy. Also it makes it easy to fix any breaks when updating programs. I use Gentoo and I am not lucky for it being stable. I got in the habit of updating the package manager, running revdep-rebuild to check for any breaks, and updating separate areas in the installation instead of doing a world update. The graphics that I use is nVidia and it runs fine. Gentoo makes it easier to install nVidia drivers even though installing nVidia drivers is easy to do. I have to worry about what firmware or microcode version to use for the driver version that I am using or else the WiFi NIC or PVR card does not work. If you do not like manual configuring, tough that is how Linux works. Also it is the same as other operating systems like Windows and Mac OS.
 
Old 11-27-2010, 11:52 PM   #27
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AMD does not. Xorg writes drivers their own drivers for AMD graphics which they are open sourced while AMD makes their own drivers which are proprietary. AMD does not own the open source drivers that Xorg is writing. You can say that there is an Xorg developer working in house of AMD to help write the open source drivers or Xorg drivers for AMD graphics.
Wrong!! They said that for the 3d drivers. They own the 2D drivers.
 
Old 11-28-2010, 01:39 AM   #28
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Wrong!! They said that for the 3d drivers. They own the 2D drivers.
You are misinformed and confused. There is open source drivers for AMD graphics cards which are written by Xorg developers. The proprietary drivers is completely written by AMD graphics developers. The two drivers are completely different in code. The 3D in Xorg is own by Silicon Graphics which created OpenGL. Both AMD and nVidia includes pre-compile 3D libraries for their proprietary drivers. Xorg developers have to create their own 3D libraries which is mainly based on Mesa3D. Xorg developers are also using Gallium3D which is the future 3D framework for Xorg.

AMD does not write open source drivers. There is an Xorg developer working for AMD. AMD just provides the microcode documentation to give the open source community a helping hand to develop graphic drivers for AMD graphic cards.
 
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Old 11-28-2010, 02:39 AM   #29
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I started with Ubuntu then switched over to knoppix. I would say that installing and configuring linux was horrifying and _very_ long. Had it not been for some guys (and girls too) I would have never got the display configured.
Then came debian 4 - inspite of me clowing around with the os it has _never_ let me down. It never fails to boot up. It has never ceased working. I sometimes think my life would have been incomplete without linux. I would have never understood technology without having linux. For 3 years after installing debian it still works. I update it - only security updates - and it still runs like day one.
Vector is one of the beautiful os out there. I am amazed to see what these guys pack in one cd that the others cannot pack in a dvd. This is more about slackware philosophy 'simplicity is divine'. Simple tools like sed grep find are _very_ powerful once you read the man pages.
It is an abomination to compare winduhs and linux here - unless you have some real issues or you have any experience with linux.
 
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Old 11-28-2010, 03:01 AM   #30
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and _very_ long
Are you referring to source code of some sorts or is every one doing the _ thing.(Linus Tovalds does it a lot in his emails.)
 
  


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