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kryptobs2000 09-12-2005 09:14 PM

Lilo and ntldr missing problem
 
I've used slackware before, with lilo, and it worked fine, I'm pretty sure it's set up right. I'll post my lilo.conf if you really need it but I'm typing this from windows so I can't do it atm, but windows still loads fine if I set it as the boot partition, and lilo loads properly if I set the slack partition to boot, and slack loads fine, but when I try and load windows it gives me the ntldr is missing error. I've googled it and havn't really found anything specific to my problem. I set it up exactly as before. The only difference that I can think of is now I have a ide hdd in addition to my main hdd which is a 74g raptor. The ide one I just use for storage nothing is installed on it and I don't see this being a problem but it just comes to mind. I am on a totally different mobo since I last installed slackware but still shouldn't be a problem I don't think.

edit: forgot to mention it's not in the mbr that I installed lilo, it's in the other option, I forget what it is. The boot sector or something, but it's installed right, I don't know whats wrong. And there is nothing wrong with the ntldr or else it wouldn't boot when I set windows as the boot partition so something else is wrong with lilo I think.

kryptobs2000 09-12-2005 09:52 PM

I fixed it sort of. It has to do with that 30 gig ide hdd I have for some reason. I disabled it and it works fine. Any idea why this might be? It's the master on the 2nd ide channel, and in the bios it's not the bootable hdd. I don't know why it would do this, any ideas? Now I can't really use this hdd if I wanna use windows.

Ike M. 09-14-2005 02:57 AM

I struggled
 
with something similar to this for quite some time after I saw a statement in one of the other threads indicating that it was only feasible to create a dual boot system with LINUX/XP if XP occupied the FIRST partition on the hard drive (if XP and LINUX were sharing a drive). I had some trouble believing that that would be the case, but it proved to be more difficult than I had anticipated

I realize this is not exactly what your situation is, but what I discovered I think may shed a little light on your particular difficulties. As far as your existing XP installation goes, I'm not sure that I can give you an answer as far as how to successfully integrate that with whatever else it is that you are using without a more detailed forensic description of what exactly is on each one of your devices. However, I did find a way to make a NEW installation of XP pro work very nicely right alongside Mandrake 10.1 on the same drive.

If you are really serious about doing this, I would say to shelve your XP drive for the time being (that's nice that it still works), or copy all of your important files off of it and be willing to START OVER. That being said, it would be best if you could start with a system that has drives that have been completely WIPED of any OS to insure that you get a clean start. If you have extra equipment around, I would suggest using that FIRST for a couple of trial runs, because if your experience here is anything like mine was, you're NOT going to get this right the first time.

The only way that I could get XP to work successfully even AFTER modifying the MBR that it writes was to split the installation. The XP pro disc I have does its install in two basic parts (hopefully you have an install disc that behaves similarly to the way mine does)

1. install disc copies all the files it needs to a partition that it just let you create on your cleanly wiped HD, then reboots

BEFORE it has a chance to do this (but AFTER all of the files have been copied) yank the XP disc and put whatever bootloader BACK INTO the MBR (where incidentally XP just put some of its own stuff)- this was easy for me to do because I installed XP right after mandrake 10.1, so all I had to do was put LILO back where it was initially, the MBR (I know that isn't what you had, but this worked for me. With a little experimentation, I am sure you can get this to work in whatever config you happen to have)

2. Then, after you have verified that your bootloader still has the ability to give you access to whatever other OS you are wanting to use, use it to boot into XP (you should get a bluescreen or something that will inform you that Setup is resuming) and allow the installation to finish.


If you do this in this order, XP seems to be more tolerant of the fact that it is running on a system that does NOT have its proprietary MBR. Good luck. Realize that when you do this you are really gambling with the stability of your windows installation, XP can be really fussy about this. Don't be surprised if you end up having to go back and copy all your important files off that partition.


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