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Old 05-30-2007, 01:52 PM   #1
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iTunes alternative?


Hey all,

I've been using Suse 10.2 on my Dell Inspiron 5160 for some time, slowly migrating from windows. As of now, I have everything I could possibly need either natively in linux, or running in Wine for the special cases, except something for my ipod. I do have Amarok installed, as well as gtkpod, and both are great for updating my already ripped m4a files on (or off when needed) my player, however as Apple as changed things a little with iTunes 7, I now have no way of updating the firmware for the little guy when they release it. I'm also looking for something to rip audio cds to the m4a format, as I'm not particularly fond of mp3 and there isn't much else that can be played on my ipod (ie. no support for ogg, or flac). Has anyone out there got any programs or solutions I can try as I've never been able to get itunes 7 to run under wine properly, and I'd much rather use native linux software anyway. Thanks for your help!
 
Old 05-31-2007, 04:05 AM   #2
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Hey all,

I've been using Suse 10.2 on my Dell Inspiron 5160 for some time, slowly migrating from windows. As of now, I have everything I could possibly need either natively in linux, or running in Wine for the special cases, except something for my ipod. I do have Amarok installed, as well as gtkpod, and both are great for updating my already ripped m4a files on (or off when needed) my player, however as Apple as changed things a little with iTunes 7, I now have no way of updating the firmware for the little guy when they release it. I'm also looking for something to rip audio cds to the m4a format, as I'm not particularly fond of mp3 and there isn't much else that can be played on my ipod (ie. no support for ogg, or flac). Has anyone out there got any programs or solutions I can try as I've never been able to get itunes 7 to run under wine properly, and I'd much rather use native linux software anyway. Thanks for your help!
I would also like to know an alternative for iTunes!

mastersword, just out of curiosity (I haven't yet tried), can Amarok manage the music library the same way iTunes does (ie, put the audio covers in the same directory, store by Artist->Album, etc)?
 
Old 05-31-2007, 04:13 AM   #3
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By the way:

http://www.petitiononline.com/itmslin/petition.html

And you can always leave a feedback on:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/

The more Linux supporters ask them for the feature, the more likely they are to hear it!

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Old 05-31-2007, 02:19 PM   #4
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I haven't tried that myself, but I typically don't use album artwork since it takes up more space on the device.
 
Old 05-31-2007, 03:55 PM   #5
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the simple answer is to use amorok all the time it works perfecctly for me....

when you nend to upgrade the firmware just pop into the nerist apple store and use one of their macs to do it,

they dont mind! you can do jsut abot anything on their macs
afterall its all free publicity for them,
, loads of people i know use it for checking email at the mall,
 
Old 06-01-2007, 11:11 AM   #6
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Yea that would work ok, just unfortunately the nearest apple store is close to 80km away from me in a high traffic area. Not exactly ideal. Will amarok rip audio cds to the apple format? If so, how do I go about getting proper codecs to do this?
 
Old 06-09-2007, 04:48 AM   #7
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So, while itunes does not have a Linux version, we must use the alternatives.

As for me, I believe I will be dual booting into Windows for a while, so I will still be using itunes.

In the meantime, I am testing different alternatives on my Linux. I hope I can give some feedback to the comunity soon.

I'm testing:

- Rythmbox music player

- Banshee

- Exaile!
 
Old 06-11-2007, 03:40 AM   #8
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amarok itself will not rip to anything,

but somthing like kaudiocentre with the right encoder can handle all your ripping needs,

im sure there is an encoder for AAC
 
Old 06-11-2007, 01:00 PM   #9
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Hey all,

I've been using Suse 10.2 on my Dell Inspiron 5160 for some time, slowly migrating from windows. As of now, I have everything I could possibly need either natively in linux, or running in Wine for the special cases, except something for my ipod. I do have Amarok installed, as well as gtkpod, and both are great for updating my already ripped m4a files on (or off when needed) my player, however as Apple as changed things a little with iTunes 7, I now have no way of updating the firmware for the little guy when they release it. I'm also looking for something to rip audio cds to the m4a format, as I'm not particularly fond of mp3 and there isn't much else that can be played on my ipod (ie. no support for ogg, or flac). Has anyone out there got any programs or solutions I can try as I've never been able to get itunes 7 to run under wine properly, and I'd much rather use native linux software anyway. Thanks for your help!
Have you seen Rockbox? I've put it on my Nano and it works great. It was the best solution for me, since my entire library is either Vorbis or FLAC (all ripped). It's also best to buy your CD's in a store. I've bought a few albums off iTunes with gift certificates. It's just not right, paying for music in a lossy format that you can only listen to in iTunes or your iPod.

The other good thing with Rockbox is that you put the music anywhere in the iPod, and it finds it and updates its database automatically. That means you just, literally, dump your music collection, in pretty much any format, in say, a folder called /Music and it works.

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Old 06-12-2007, 08:36 AM   #10
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Have you seen Rockbox? I've put it on my Nano and it works great. It was the best solution for me, since my entire library is either Vorbis or FLAC (all ripped). It's also best to buy your CD's in a store. I've bought a few albums off iTunes with gift certificates. It's just not right, paying for music in a lossy format that you can only listen to in iTunes or your iPod.

The other good thing with Rockbox is that you put the music anywhere in the iPod, and it finds it and updates its database automatically. That means you just, literally, dump your music collection, in pretty much any format, in say, a folder called /Music and it works.
Yea, I've been refered to Rockbox in the past. I'm still investigating it for my 5th gen iPod video. Have you noticed any difference in audio quality from the standard firmware to Rockbox? (be it an upgrade or a downgrade) I always buy my music on cd too, never bought anything from iTunes, I only use m4a because I don't like mp3, and as you know the iPod plays nothing else.

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amarok itself will not rip to anything,

but somthing like kaudiocentre with the right encoder can handle all your ripping needs,

im sure there is an encoder for AAC
Since having posted that I managed to configure KAudioCreator to rip my cds in AAC using faac.
 
Old 06-12-2007, 10:33 PM   #11
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Yea, I've been refered to Rockbox in the past. I'm still investigating it for my 5th gen iPod video. Have you noticed any difference in audio quality from the standard firmware to Rockbox? (be it an upgrade or a downgrade) I always buy my music on cd too, never bought anything from iTunes, I only use m4a because I don't like mp3, and as you know the iPod plays nothing else.
Yep, given the same file, they sound the same. Rockbox has a lot more equalization options and what-not as well, however. You should just go ahead and install it. It's easy to uninstall if need be. It leaves all iTunes stuff alone, and you can still boot into your iTunes firmware as well if you leave it installed. The only downside is that it uses the battery a bit faster I haven't noticed it, but I don't listen to my iPod for 8h straight.

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Old 06-14-2007, 02:16 PM   #12
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Thanks for the reply, I'll definitely be giving it a try in the near future.
 
Old 06-18-2007, 01:30 PM   #13
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Alright, so I gave Rockbox a try on my iPod. Installed no problems, ran alright too, but I have one glaring concern (I'm likely going to start a new thread for this). After installing and testing rockbox, I attempted to reboot to the original firmware as detailed in the online manual at rockbox.org. When I did, my iPod quickly flashed what I THOUGHT was a dead battery symbol and turned off (it was much to fast for me to be sure what it was). I attempted to turn it back on, nothing. I plugged it in to the computer, nothing. Car charging kit, nothing. All indications were that my iPod had been bricked. I put the hold switch on over night to see if something might change, and luckily I was able to get it to boot today by toggling the hold switch and holding select and menu for about 10 seconds. I now have it booting into the apple firmware, with rockbox still installed. My concern is why did this happen, and will it happen again? Does anyone have any experience there?
 
Old 09-05-2007, 11:50 PM   #14
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Cool

TO: dasy2k1...without knowing the system YOU run...IMHO Gentoo 2006.1 is a great start. I've successfully installed both versions, 32 and 64 bit architecture. The Gentoo Handbook is exceptional. Suggestion: pay attention to sequence and Portage. 2007.0 and 2007.1 were difficult and it appears it was my timing and hardware. Different strokes for different folks.
 
  


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