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Old 01-08-2004, 12:49 PM   #1
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IE CLone, or IE itself to work in *NIX


I have a problem here as a starter web person. I do some simple design work for web sites, and recently felt compelled to move to linux. A good move I belive. Regradless, I am having problems doing a design where I have Mozilla as my browser, while most of my client base would be using IE on a Windows enviroment. How do you get around the boundries of creating work on linux, then making it view properly on a windows box? This is really driving me nuts. I want to continue to use Linux, but need the ability to view what my work would be like on IE. How do I do this? I am a newb linux person, but I can do SOME stuff...


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Old 01-08-2004, 12:56 PM   #2
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One reason I have a dual boot system on one of my machines is this that you've stated. If you don't want to dual boot, only other way around it is to try and get IE loaded using wine or an emulator to load Windows in, like VMWare or Win4Lin, etc.
 
Old 01-08-2004, 01:07 PM   #3
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Some good ideas for sure, but I am sure that there are alot of web developers out there working ON or IN Linux, therefore it would seem that there must be a way to be able to build a site that is truly multibrowser compaitble in that regard. I could try WINE but I have read that IE likes to crash on a regular basis and is not recomended as a broswer for its use, but rather the files included within would be best suited for applications that need specific files etc etc etc.
 
Old 01-08-2004, 01:11 PM   #4
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VMWare does work really well...I used it to run win98 and IE6 to access some IE only secure sites from work (now Opera can handle those sites so I no longer need to do this)

and if you go to www.frankscorner.org you will see a few HOWTOs to install IE to run within Wine or Winex (as well as tons of other tips)
 
Old 01-08-2004, 01:22 PM   #5
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well....talking from experience...
use Konqueror for previewing..., regularly validate page at least against HTML 4.01 transitional...avoid layers where ever possible...use tables for layout instead, only use CSS level 1 ...some browsers like IE (absolutely suckz regarding CSS...it has _very_ little support for CSS and you need to do some CSS 'hacks' when dealing with it gets displayed correctly in IE, while it works fine in standard complient browsers), galeon and so on have lots of probs with CSS ...and I guess you already know you can give up trying to make it look 'the right way' in Opera...
and it _should_ look the way you want in IE...just take a final when finishing a page on someone elses machine...it should be ok ^^
or you can do it the 'new' way...use XML/XSLT... =P
 
Old 01-08-2004, 01:25 PM   #6
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You probably already know it, since you're a web programmer, however this is the site of www consortium:
http://www.w3c.org/

It has lot of tools and tips, and anything built according to their specs is going to work the same way with IE and Mozilla (at least)
 
Old 01-08-2004, 01:32 PM   #7
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W3 is a great resource, and following their guidelines, you can make a site FAIRLY complient with one another in terms of which browser you use, the problem is the tiny things, spacing, fints, how things are formatted etc. Its a tough world out there considering most people browse with IE, where as I prefer netscape, or mozilla.
 
Old 01-08-2004, 02:05 PM   #8
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In this case I wouldn't run IE under wine: since actual drawing code is from wine/X, you might have not exactly the same result. Either use VM, or dual boot to check before delivering.
However, you may even drop a line to your clients/commisioneers about mozilla firebird... It takes no time to setup even and I saw noone come back from it, even those who keep using windowz
 
Old 01-08-2004, 02:29 PM   #9
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interesting idea, i suppose the problem is that clients using the web site would be more of a random base, rather than say, intranet based. By that I mean its more for the passing viewer. I would venture to guess and say that Firebird will replace?SOMETHING? browser? Something reffering to standard Mozilla?
 
Old 01-08-2004, 03:41 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by ac1980
You probably already know it, since you're a web programmer, however this is the site of www consortium:
http://www.w3c.org/

It has lot of tools and tips, and anything built according to their specs is going to work the same way with IE and Mozilla (at least)
Mmmmmm not quite MSIE, especially anything before version 4, is horrendous with CSS and practically every other web standard. Current versions are better but still suffer from a lot of bugs (other browsers have their problems too). The best goal is to make your site usable and legible in all browsers, rather than trying to make it work or look the same in all major browsers. It just can't be done.

I would agree anyhow, though; follow web standards and you have essentially done the best you can do (barring nonsense like making your HTML and CSS klunky and filled with workarounds for the various MSIE, Netscape, and Opera bugs). Follow standards, and all the sensible browsers (Mozilla-based, Opera, Konqueror, newer versions of Netscape) will be just fine; MSIE 6.0 and 5.0 will probably be more or less OK; MSIE 4.0 will probably have some odd visual glitches and font problems, but still be legible; MSIE 3.0 and Netscape 4.0 are so bad with CSS that you can use the "@import" CSS statement to bring in all your stylesheets, and those browsers will just ignore it and display the plain HTML formatting (and possibly a note urging users to upgrade to a real browser).

poison suggested using tables for formatting, so I suppose you can do that, but it's completely antithetical to using web standards (and is potentially much harder to maintain, as well as much harder to make consistent across browsers, especially when combined with the dreaded FONT tag). Tables are good if you're primarily targeting users with very old browsers (IE3 and NS4).
 
  


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