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Old 11-10-2002, 12:26 PM   #1
Shabung
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I miss my .exe...


The one thing that I'll credit Windows for is it's ease of use. Downloading an .exe file and then installing whatever program with a simple double-click.

So far, I've downloaded two programs that I can't seem to get to install properly. A j2re.bin file so that I can view/use java websites in Mozilla (unless there's a better program for this...) and mpg123.tar.gz so that I can view movie files...

Double-clicking on the .bin file did nothing but display a text version of the code. When I bring up a terminal and execute the command, I get permission denied--even if I log in as root.

Double-clicking the tar.gz extracted everything in the package to a subdirectory--there's all kinds of .dat, .c and .h files in there, but nothing that looks executable...

Is there some quick & easy guide to knowing what components go where when trying to install new programs? Or what to do with what kind of file once I get them? Should I always log in as root when installing new programs or can I do this while logging in as myself?

Does everyone run into these problems or am I plagued with glitches? Or am I just plain stupid?

I've also been looking into writing a printer driver for my Lexmark Z65 and I've only run into more problems...

When researching drivers, I find people referring to Foomatic, CUPS and The Gimp--programs that are on my system already. But what's the difference between the three? Does this mean that I need to write a different driver for every program that intends to use my printer?


Shabung
 
Old 11-10-2002, 12:38 PM   #2
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you'll get much better results with rpm's not tar.gzs, they are source files that you compile yourself, and as windows doesn't ever do this, a comparision for that is not appropriate.

installing software on linux is often EASIER than windows, so much of the time you do not even need to a) download ANYTHING, as it's already waiting on your distro cds, and b) don't need to run a file and make your way through a crap installer program, just select it in which ever rpm manager you are using. smoe distro 's make it easier than others, easiest i've found (without being insulting) is mandrake.

mpg123 is not a video player, it is an mp3 player, try http://mplayerhq.hu there are rpms availble on the dload page, and also on rpmfind.net

there are plenty of begeinners guides online, just search in google, and also on this site, as this is asked an awful lot.

i also answered the exact same query about java on webpages today, so have a search for that here aswell.

Last edited by acid_kewpie; 11-10-2002 at 12:41 PM.
 
Old 11-10-2002, 01:13 PM   #3
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Now I'm really confused...

Now you're saying that I don't need to download anything? That everything is included? Then why does Redhat say that they couldn't include any multimedia programs with the distro due to legal problems?

Furthermore, why don't any of my mpgs or mp3s work anymore--it says nothing is associated with these types of files...

I performed all kinds of commands when installing the now erroneous mpg123. If I no longer need this program on my system, how do I undo what I've done?

Where do I fine these elusive RPMs? I've got two CDs labeled Source Code, one labeled Documentation and the three CDs that installed everything that came with Redhat 8.0...

When I installed from the Redhat CDs, I installed everything--just to be safe, not knowing what I didn't want to install...

If 'everything' has been installed then 'everything' should work properly...and now I find that 'everything' doesn't...

All I want to do is chat and listen to files and watch movies. On windows, this was as easy as a double-click. Double click the file and boom, you're listening, watching and chatting....

But you're telling me it's even easier in Linux--which is why I made the switch. And now I can't get anything to work...

Where's the flaw in my thinking? What am I doing wrong?
 
Old 11-10-2002, 02:08 PM   #4
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Why did you switch to Linux if you only want to chat and listen to music. I mean Linux is a great OS, in many points much better than windows but sometimes is just not worth all the trouble if you are narrow minded and dont want to READ a LOT.
Anyways, rpms are found on www.rpmfind.com or .org or .net i cant remember, never used RPMs
MP3 player is called xmms, first run xmms from konsole just to check if you have it installed, if not download and install it via rpm (in konsole man rpm should help)
Chat client is called GAIM again go to rpmfind
and movie, video, dvd, player is called MPlayer @ rpmfind as well.
HTH
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Old 11-10-2002, 02:21 PM   #5
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RedHat tooks the mpg123 plugin out, just because it's not legal to encode mp3 for free anymore.. it was all over the news..
the tar.gz file u downloaded is source code.. which is perfect IMHO.
what u should do is read the INSTALL or README that comes with it.. but mostly compile is mostly the same everytime:
./configure
make
make install (as root user)

that's it
 
Old 11-10-2002, 03:05 PM   #6
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yes, tehre are legal issues around when you try to combine GPL software with closed source formats, like video and audio compression techniques, it's a cold hard stumbling block that can only be moved by the entire industry reassessing itself.

why don't your mp3's, work? well cos i guess you reset something in whatever window manager you use.. remember not *everyone uses crappy kde... mainly just the newbies.

to uninstall sotftware, you'll appreciate it depends how you got it there, if you did install from source then go to the directory you compiled it in and rnu "make uninstall" there's nothing wrong with it being there, in acutal fact i'd guess it was actaully installed when you installed rehdat in teh first place, as it's a really bog standard applciation.

What are these "elusive" rpms? particular ones or just in general. rpm is the most common installation format, thanks to people like mandrake and redhat who wrp them up neatly just for newbies, well and everyone else if they want to use them too, as they aer a lot easier... when i want an rpm i go to rpmfind.net and get it there.

what you're finding is that everything doesn't necessarily talk to everything else as well as you'd want, and that's down to the software you're using. you might like desktop icons and all that file manager stuff, but from my experience with liux, i started of with gnome, enjoying not using windows, then i started to err more and more towards realising that all this GUI stuff is complete crap, and only ever slows you down. console is king, and it's so so so much faster.

i'm certainly not saying everything is easier, i just meant that it *can* be easier. on my system i have copies of all the mandrake cd's on a networked drive, and all i ever have to do to install something is run "urpmi aprogramthatiwant" and if it's on the distro cd's then it's automatically installed. if it's not then the program downloads it form the internet and still installs it automatically. you try doing that with windows... no chance. you havent' got the urpm system with redhat though, but that's just an example.

linuxquestinos is a newbie haven, and everything you could possibly ask is almost guarenteed to be asked on a regular basis on this site by people who were once, or are still, in your situation, just search. No one is (i hope) pressuring you into using linux, it's still in development, but is still fully usable in many peoples opinions.
 
Old 11-10-2002, 03:36 PM   #7
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It's not all I want to do, just all I want to do for now...

My experience with Windows has told me that if I stick with it long enough I can learn anything. The first step to that, of course, is finding reasons to stick with it...

Without reason to continually use Redhat--ie, the things I use my computer for every day--like printing, chatting, listening to music and watching videos--there really isn't a reason to keep using the OS. And, therefore, all it does is sit there taking up space on my hard drive.

My end goal with this is to host webpages from my basement so that I don't have to deal with third-person ISPs...

But before I go into doing anything new with Redhat, all I want to do for now is do the same old things I've been doing with my computer...so that I know how Redhat does the things that I'm familiar with...

Make sense?

Shabung
 
Old 11-10-2002, 03:38 PM   #8
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well of course i see.. your point being? hmm, well you seem to like writing long essays, so i'll retract that. everyone starts by being a newbie, you're not in an original situation, that is what places like this is for.... so use the resources that exist, and learn....
 
Old 11-11-2002, 04:42 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by acid_kewpie
well of course i see.. your point being? hmm, well you seem to like writing long essays, so i'll retract that. everyone starts by being a newbie, you're not in an original situation, that is what places like this is for.... so use the resources that exist, and learn....
that's beautifully said
 
Old 11-11-2002, 07:51 AM   #10
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For mp3 in deadrat 8 look here, for java in mozilla get the netscape linux java plugin and copy it to /mozilla/plugins and create a symlink like so,
Code:
libjavaplugin_oji.so -> java2/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so
 
Old 11-11-2002, 11:02 AM   #11
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You may want to move from Redhat to Mandrake as it is a much more noob friendly OS. Welcome to Linux though and I hope you stick around. I feel your pain about the installs of software as I am left scratching my head sometimes as to where that damned program is after I installed it.
I prefer using the tar.gz files over RPMs but that is just because I am more familiar with using them and I haven't unlocked the mysteries of RPM yet.
 
Old 11-12-2002, 09:49 AM   #12
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Mysteries of RPM? Aren't they just called bugs?
 
Old 11-12-2002, 11:35 AM   #13
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undocumented features you mean
 
Old 11-12-2002, 01:43 PM   #14
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A better place to find RPMS for Redhat is
http://www.freshrpms.net .

Just select which version of RH you have and be sure to not download the src.rpm files. Once you have them, you log in as root and install them with your favorite package manager.

I personally find the terminal my best friend. Open up the Terminal ( Console ) while you are in USER, and do this junk:

USER@somewhere]$ su root
(Type in password)
[root@somewhere]$ cd (to where ever you put this stuff if somewhere besides your home directory, /home/USER)
[root@somewhere] rpm -i <RPM FILE>

Hosting a web page is easy in linux. Pick up a good RH linux book or check out httpd.apache.org Personally the books seem more informative, online you find cool projects to play with ( at Sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net )

Do you have a brand new computer? The older the computer the less of a headache installing linux will be.
 
Old 01-12-2004, 07:45 PM   #15
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Hust get Mandrake off www.linuxiso.org it so much cooler!
 
  


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