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Originally posted by /home/kyle
ok, first of all, I wanna know how do you people stand linux?
You can not install things easily, and most software doesent work for it...what is so great about it?
In my opinion it takes a certain kind of person to really get into the system (at least in the current state of Linux)...someone with a desire to spend time learning, tinkering and tweaking...if you just want to be up and do everything without any hassles then you're probably not going to fully enjoy it.
Im realy confused...I heard a lot about linux being stable, and fun, not lots of errors...but all im seeing here is posts about errors and porblems, and all im having is errors and problems.
This is LinuxQuestions...its purpose is mainly to help with those problems, so that's what you're going to see more than anything else.
This question, or similar, is asked often and there are many answers...do a search and you'll discover this. Essentially I have the opinion that too many people expect an OS to be easy to use, but I think technology hasn't reached a point where a system can be trouble-free, stable, and secure while at the same time be point-and-click and user-friendly. Some OS developers have taken the path of compromise...adding user-friendly features at the expense of being less stable and secure. This only gives the user the illusion of it being a better system. Mr. Gates is misleading the masses into thinking his illusion is fact. It's my belief that our knowledge and technology need more growth before we come to a place where ease of use doesn't mean compromising stability and security.
"You can not install things easily, and most software doesent work for it...what is so great about it?"
I can see where you are coming from with the difficulty of installing software, I had a similar beef with mandrake when I started (stupid dependacies >< ), but I found that you can learn a bunch about your computer and linux by compiling stuff yourself. If you feel aggrivated though, maybe try gentoo. It makes installing stuff a breeze (though installing gentoo is a bit more difficult).
I use linux because I like to play with it, I just plain enjoy spending time on it If you want ease of use windows XP is a great system. I have both linux and windows XP installed, but yet I spend 95% of my time on linux. If you are not drawn to linux(I most definately am) you probably will find no good reason to use it.
Nice desktop /home/kyle (Is that your name or are you another Jedi Knight fan like me? )).
WineX is not free (you can download the free version, but you've to compile it yourself). But I've nothing but great things to say about WineX. Speed and easy of install is guaranteed with the non-free version. The version I have is a bit dated but it's my favorite toy, along with gcc compiler . Some games not rated at www.transgaming.com as Unreal and RTCW (which has Linux ports) runs flawless under WineX.
There are also some installers on the net to run Windows games under Linux natively. This site will make you a little happier:
Download everything and burn on a CD . ghehe. Well, still, the best way of playing games is Windows. There is not much to argue against that.
About installing stuff, it pretty much depends of your distribution. I consider Debian and Redhat way easier to install programs than Windows ever was or ever will be... period. There's a package manager, originally developed for Debian, called apt-get. Today ported to other distributions as Redhat and Fedora Core, apt-get allows you to install over 16.000 programs by simply typing:
apt-get install <name of the package>
apt-get install mplayer
will download mplayer core, all codecs, plugins and skins and install it for you. After a minute you can run mplayer in gui or not as you please....
Upgrading your distro is not a problem either:
You'll be impressed with the programs you have at your disposal. Emulators (Mame, Zsnes9x, FCEUltra, MESS), games (Tux Racer, FlightGear), everything can be installed like that (at least, a hole lot...)You cannot deny that this method rocks . Other distributions provides similar tools, as Slackware/Swaret, Gentoo/Merge... But I still think that Debian's apt-get is the one that has more packages available...
I used Mandrake a long ago. I found it too buggy. I've no idea if it got better now. You might want to check Libranet:
Libranet 2.7 is free. 2.8 and above is not, but the investment is well worthy. Libranet 2.8 provides even 3D acceleration right off the box. I've just got myself 2.8.1 . Still, Libranet 2.7 is just a great with an older kernel (2.4.19 I think...).
What I like the best about Linux is... as a hobbiest programmer and student, everything I need is right there.. compilers, editors. What is not, I simply apt-get for it . Right now I'm planning a game, I've already switch between OpenGL, SDL and python-pygame without a single hassle....
Linux is just that great. But I don't think Windows is bad though. But compare what I said above and think which one really is easier to install, remove and upgrade packages with such a great thing as apt-get...
Learn, read and don't be afraid switching distributions. Sooner or later you will realize how cool freedom is . (Free as in beer, but beer is also great...lol)...
Last edited by Mega Man X; 03-10-2004 at 01:54 PM.
After spending quite a long time optimizing an older, slower machine to run more smoothly under Windows (changing icons to text menu items, removing transition effects, etc) I've grown to prefer the vsual appeal of subtle, text-based interfaces. Now Windows looks ugly to me, as does KDE...too many big shiny icons become more of an annoyance than an improvement.
One of the things I am always lookin for with my computer and OS is good looks..thats what I mainly shoot for..so far I have had a few problems with LInux...but I know I can clear everythig up..and I have learned more about Linux in a week, then u are about windows ina year.
haha, thats funny Megaman X...thanks for the compliment on my desktop . I know, I have to get used to switching distros...I like the feeling of security with my computer, and switching from distro to distro will make me feel un secure, like I dont know what I want... I like the way mandrake linux looks and feels, so I think im going to use it for a while.
Originally posted by /home/kyle You can not install things easily, and most software doesent work for it...what is so great about it?
Eh? Can't install things easily? What is so hard about any of the following? rpm -Uvh filename.rpm
apt-get install packagename
tar zxpvf filename.tar.gz
su enter root's password
I have to admit, I personlly use checkinstall rather than make install these days so that my rpm database is kept nice and clean, but that's personal preference. Obviously the example of install from souce is a stereotypical one, but the two middle lines are of utmost importance: reading the readme and install files.
When you say that software doesn't work for it, you should really say that games don't work. And, no, most games don't work straight-away. But then, would you expect a game written specifically for the Apple to work on the PC? No. Different OSs (alright, different architectures too, but that's not the point).
The computer I run linux on has become the only one I use. After years with M$ and paying thru the nose for every conceivable alleged software upgrade I decided to learn linux. It is not M$ and it's not for people who refuse to spend time getting into the hows and whys of their computer. I like what mikshaw said:
"In my opinion it takes a certain kind of person to really get into the system (at least in the current state of Linux)...someone with a desire to spend time learning, tinkering and tweaking...if you just want to be up and do everything without any hassles then you're probably not going to fully enjoy it."
I agree completely with that. In fact when certain friends ask about linux, I have told a number of them that it's not for them. This is because they are not the types who are interested in the "tinkering" and "tweaking" that mikshaw mentioned.
So the good things about linux, as the topic states, would be that we tinkerers can actually learn a bit more about what makes a computer work. Through the CLI we gain greater control over the operation of the computer, and that is very satisfying.
Originally posted by LeniuNYC
[B]using mandrake doesnt differ much from windows, you will get very little from it, except for a headache probably.
Kyle - that is not how mandrake linux looks, that is how a 'program' called 'kde' looks. It comes with many, maaanyy, distros, and even if it doesnt you can install it.
These two comments severely contradict each other. On the one hand you're saying that Mandrake (a fully usable Linux system) doesn't differ much from windows, and on the other you emphasize the difference between a distro and a desktop environment.
I might add that regardless of the distro, it's all Linux and has the same features available as any other distro...nothing at all like windows. You could easily cut out the GUI from mandrake and still have the same basic system as you would if you did the same with Slackware.
The main difference is that the default mandrake system attempts to put focus on GUI tools in order to accomplish the tasks for which Slackware has only the config files. If you bypass the GUI and delve into the guts of the system instead, it's all the same.