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Old 01-01-2004, 04:27 PM   #1
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Enabling 3D sound in RH8.0


I have an SIS7012 (701.2) sound card on the SIS650 chipset. I managed to install the crappy/buggy driver from sis.com with minor code modifications (which will crash my pc later on :P). The main intent behind installing that driver was to enable my rear speakers which wasn't availabe in the OSS i810_audio module. So, now the sis7012 module is running, but how do I get my rear speakers to work.
 
Old 01-01-2004, 05:09 PM   #2
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Re: Enabling 3D sound in RH8.0

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I have an SIS7012 (701.2) sound card on the SIS650 chipset. I managed to install the crappy/buggy driver from sis.com with minor code modifications (which will crash my pc later on :P). The main intent behind installing that driver was to enable my rear speakers which wasn't availabe in the OSS i810_audio module. So, now the sis7012 module is running, but how do I get my rear speakers to work.
Never heard of 3D sound - just 3D graphics.

Try the drivers from ALSA. They have really good instructions if you'll browse to Soundcards, enter your manufacturer, and then use the instructions for your specific chipset. It looks as if the SiS7012 must have an Intel chipset in the southbridge. Is that an Intel mobo? Check this link ->
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc...odule=intel8x0
 
Old 01-01-2004, 05:52 PM   #3
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LOL, the word 3D sound is exagerated, it just means 5.1 enabled sound cards. So I'd have two front speakers, two rear speakers, and one central supported by a subwoofer. Basically, I just want to use four channels rather than the traditonal two. This is possible in windows provided that the drivers are installed.
 
Old 01-01-2004, 06:12 PM   #4
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LOL, the word 3D sound is exagerated, it just means 5.1 enabled sound cards. So I'd have two front speakers, two rear speakers, and one central supported by a subwoofer. Basically, I just want to use four channels rather than the traditonal two. This is possible in windows provided that the drivers are installed.
I've got an Audigy ES card in this box, and 5.1 speakers, and I have an onboard Intel i810 chipset. Either sound card works (all 6 speakers) with the drivers from ALSA, following their instructions for the specific soundcard.

What I do is download the source to my /home/<username> directory. Then on the ALSA site I go to the specific page for my sound card (in your case, that's the second link I gave you). Then I open a konsole (using KDE) and su to root and then follow the instructions by cutting and pasting from the ALSA site. It's quite simple. When you finish, you may need to run alsamixer as a normal user and unmute all the channels, turning up the volume. Then su to root and run alsaconf and then run alsactl store so that your settings will be there if you ever have to reboot your system.

Hey, if it works, don't forget to write down what you did. You'll need to know again, I'm sure!
 
Old 01-02-2004, 12:13 AM   #5
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LOL, you're right, I should write them down. However, I always think that I have a good memory but it never turns out like that.

Anyways, are your speakers surround sound enabled, or are you using two sets of speakers and using the onboard 5.1 codec? For example, I plugin one set of speakers to my "Line out", and the second set into my "Line in". Then using soundcard specific drivers in windows, I can easily switch my Line In to become a "Rear speakers out". And I can also add a sub into my mic's input and switch the Mic Input into a "Center Speaker Out". If that's what you have, then that would be awesome. I don't recall seeing anything like that on the ALSA website, and I've isntalled ALSA before but never had the intention of enabling 3D Sound.

In conclusion, I don't want to rush into installing ALSA, since it will take a while to do so, if it is not going to solve my problem.

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Old 01-02-2004, 02:26 AM   #6
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LOL, you're right, I should write them down. However, I always think that I have a good memory but it never turns out like that.

Anyways, are your speakers surround sound enabled, or are you using two sets of speakers and using the onboard 5.1 codec? For example, I plugin one set of speakers to my "Line out", and the second set into my "Line in". Then using soundcard specific drivers in windows, I can easily switch my Line In to become a "Rear speakers out". And I can also add a sub into my mic's input and switch the Mic Input into a "Center Speaker Out". If that's what you have, then that would be awesome. I don't recall seeing anything like that on the ALSA website, and I've isntalled ALSA before but never had the intention of enabling 3D Sound.

In conclusion, I don't want to rush into installing ALSA, since it will take a while to do so, if it is not going to solve my problem.
VIP3R,

You got me, man. I'm using a SoundBlaster Audigy ES 24-bit 5.1 surround sound card, and a set of Eacan E-1100A 5.1 speakers. IMO the Audigy isn't any better than the Intel i810 onboard sound card, and the speakers are cheap. But, what the heck? I played a bass through some huge stacks with too many watts for too many years, and my eardrums have been burst with blood twice on one side and once on the other. Nothing sounds really good to me anymore, you know?

I built this computer in Nov. 2002. Where I live, they told me Swan makes the best speakers. So I got a set of 2.1 speakers, since I've never wanted any serious sound from my computer. Just wanted to hear a ding.wav when I messed up, or some noise when I have new email, and a little music to drown out the world every now and then. I play no games.

A couple of months ago I built a comp for my wife and daughter, after the southbridge chip on our 18-month old Sony laptop failed. My Chinese friend talked me into getting a sound card and 5.1 speakers, so I did. I wanted to buy Swan's again, but he talked me into buying a cheaper brand (Eacan). Cheap indeed, in my opinion. But it doesn't really matter.

We started with a SoundBlaster Live 5.1 Digital card, but the drivers were all in Simplified Chinese, and it wouldn't even work properly in my comp in English Windoze - though I did get it working in Slack So I upgraded to a SoundBlaster Audigy ES. It works in Windoze and in Slack

Now, the instructions told me where to plug the speakers in, and I've got 5 separate speakers coming into 5 separate jacks in the woofer. And then there are three sets of 2 jacks each that come out of the woofer and go into the sound card. The front left and front right go out of two jacks on the woofer and into one cable that connects to line out on the card. The center speaker and bass go out of two jacks on the woofer and connect to analog/digital out on the card. The rear left and rear right come out of two jacks on the woofer and connect to rear out on the card. And there is mic in and line in jacks left empty, and the joystick/midi plug empty - of course.

When I play mp3's using XMMS (which I'm doing right now) I get sound from all 6 speakers. In Windoze there is no sound from the center speaker using either WinAmp, Winders Media Player (v6 thru - v9 all the same), or CreativePlay Center (which comes with the card). I don't know diddly, but my Chinese friend told me "you can't get sound from your center speaker playing mp3's). I say "long live *nix!"

I haven't played any .wma files in Slack yet, because each time I've tried to install MPlayer, something hasn't worked. This time I think I'll install from source instead of these .tgz files.
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[rant]Supposedly .tgz's are made for Slackware, but they always screw up something, or something's missing, when I try to use them. Reminds me of the two other packaging systems I've used - DeadRat's RPM's and Debian's apt-get. RPM's are total trash! Apt-get is good in that all the dependencies are solved, but if there are problems, you still can't get the software. I left Debian for Slack after trying for 2 weeks to get KDE. Too many different people working on the packages with different opinions just had Debian's KDE all messed up![/rant]
I've played some home videos from my hard drive in *nix, but haven't tried a DVD yet. So I can't really help you there.

So, to conclude, when I installed the card and speakers in Windoze, there was a little program which played sound from each of the 5 speakers, one at a time - front left, center, front right, rear left, rear right. I don't know of anything like that for *nix, but then again, how would I? The drivers for the sound card I had to compile on my own. There is no tech support - not even any documentation for this specific card. All the SoundBlaster cards use the exact same module - emu10k1 - which leads me to believe that if you're using it in *nix only, there's no reason to pay for more than the most basic SoundBlaster card with an emu10k1 chipset.

If you know of a way for me to do something that will answer your question, let me know. I'll try it and report back to you.

Hey, right now me and Libby (my daughter sitting in my lap) are going to show Chong Hui some videos from her singing Karaoke with some girls in Taiwan.

 
Old 01-02-2004, 02:49 AM   #7
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LOL, those were some nice stories. Your help was greatly appreciated. I ended up isntalling ALSA and enabling my "3D sound" (2 sets of speakers). I didn't know ALSA supported 3D, but I guess I haven't installed it since 6 months ago when I quit trying in linux because of all its problems.

Just one more question! How do you do ALSA Level Mixing? If you don't know what I mean, then please keep reading. eSound (ESD) takes multiple sound inputs from different (or multiple instances of the same) applications and mixes them together so that you can hear both at the same time. A good use of this includes aMSN & XMMS. I'm always listening to music but I need to hear incomming messages. Ok, so I set MSN to use "esdplay" as the sound server, and I selected eSound output for XMMS. However, I could avoid all this trouble of switching all my apps to ESD by just having ALSA mix multiple sources of sound. I've heard that it's possible. Any ideas?

THanx once again bud!
 
Old 01-02-2004, 02:59 AM   #8
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Right now Libby and I are watching and listening to some videos in Kaboodle (just becaue that opened the .mpg file when we clicked on it) and we heard KMail beep, letting us know we had email. It was Jeremy's LQ message telling me you replied to this thread. I don't know how that works, but I use alsamixer (as user not root) and then alsactl store as root to keep the settings. That alsamixer with my Audigy using ALSA's emu10k1 has more settings than a stinking jet! For what it's worth, we can open XMMS and it will play at the same time. However, that's kinda confusing, so we don't do it.

Let me know - teach me - I've only got a very small hard drive left in my brain, but I'm filling it up with *nix knowledge.

I've seen posts of those multiple instance problems. Why you using RH8? Install Slack, man. It just works!

 
Old 01-02-2004, 09:24 AM   #9
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I believe that many more people are running RedHat 8.0 and many more provide support for RedHat. If you notice, all servers tun RedHat for some reason. So I thought it would be a good choice.
 
  


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