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Debian is bigger than SUSE?
My GOD! I just discover that!
Look at this, debian needs 2 DVDs ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distrib.../i386/iso-dvd/ |
LOL
:) PS: That doesn't mean anything... If a program installs on debian, it does on SUSE... |
All you need is 1cd for debian net install.I assume that the 2 dvds is for those with dial up,maybe.
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Honestly, I think people need to stop this mess already. You can get a hard drive for less than a dollar a gig. This has become such a moot argument. I'm glad linux distros are growing in size. Its a good thing. As long as the distro is stable. With hard drives out there that exceed 500 gigs and raid configurations that allow you to exceed several terabytes. Giving something as great as linux 5 gigs, shouldn't be like pulling teeth. Theres no excuse anymore. I got a 200 GB hard drive for 120 bucks the other day. Anyone can get a big enough hard drive these days. So lets stop complaining and pressuring developers to make smaller less reliable and less efficient software. I'm tired of people thinking that linux is best suited for machines that cant handle the latest Windows release. While its true that linux can runs on older machines that windows can't install on, Linux is better suited for a reasonable environment and can take advantage of higher end machines much better than windows can. Lets stop the complaining and think about it this way, those Debian developers sure worked hard to put 2 DVD's worth of goods on to there latest install. Thats alot of work, and they deserve a congratulations.
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No matter how, i must try debian one day.
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Oh, I didn't quite understand what you meant in your first post...
You don't need 2 DVDs to install Debian! :rolleyes: Debian is just 1 CD. That's all you need to get a complete working environment. The DVD edition is Debian + all-the-programs-from-the-apt-tree(you'll only use a tenth) That doesn't mean the DVD edition is more complete!!! It's still the same debian(same features), it just adds a swirm of bloat on top of it(just what we needed!). Install debian with one cd. Then you can install any program with apt-get and the net(no need for additional CD). Best regards, |
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I'm not quite sure you understand... Having big distros is not a problem because of space... The problem is: why? Why would you want a distro that offers 9 different programs to play music?? More doesn't mean better. -More means more bloated systems: Did someone say windows? Lot's of programs you don't know about... and... well, never will use. Thus making your computer an easy target. -More means more difficult to operate: Ever tried searching through a foot long dropdown menu? Lots of conf programs which are redundant means conflicts... You never know where to configure(Ex: Keyboard conf prog in gnome conflicts with my xorg conf). Lots of redundant layers. -More means less integration: You have to make programs work together manually. Debian Devs can't do it... they don't know which prog you'll use... Can't make a coherent system... -More means less intuitive And blah blah blah You see, this is what you seem to think: "Bigger distro = better hardware support + more features + more more and more" Nope... What you're thinking of is: Quality... That's what I value. Good design. It would be stupid to have a distro which tries to have everything: It would defeat the purpose of having many distros To correct you, that's not what debian is doing... hell no. Regards, PS: "those Debian developers sure worked hard to put 2 DVD's worth of goods on to there latest install. Thats alot of work, and they deserve a congratulations." Nope... They just put every open source programs they knew of in it. Nothing fancy. |
You need to download 180Meg to begin the installation of Debian, so less than a cd. You can even put this on a harddrive if you don't want to burn a cd.
These two DVD have stable applications, not crappy ones; so there is some work behind.. |
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has a basic walk through on a base level 1CD install with the net installer disk. it is geared more for creating a media station to push movies and what not out to your TV via s-vid, but you can just skip that part and use it as a basic install guide. yeah i agree, who cares if linux distros that include office suites, multimedia software, games, editors, multiple GUIs, web server, ftp server, e-mail server, dns server, dhcp server, firewall (iptables), etc... on a set of CDs or DVDs. you never install EVERYTHING anyways as a lot of applications conflict with other applications and why would you be running a professional web or e-mail server on your personal workstation with a full GUI to play games? hopefully you would not. as for something of the base distro being large? nope, i have yet to see a base install (minimal) take more then 1CD and always uses much less storage space on the HD once the distro is up and running compared to windows. winXP SP2 fully patched can take up to 6G of space so who cares if a linux distro with every package installable by that entire distro takes up 2DVDs. at least it is not bloat like winXP. |
You know everyone wants to say that windows xp is bloated but in reality its really not. One of the reasons that I changed over to linux is that linux had more software options. I think having is alot of software is a good thing, I never met an installer that forced me to install everything. But every distro gives you choices, and that what Debian and SuSE are doing. Your right that its annoying as hell having to scroll through an huge menu, but you can edit your menu to be smaller and not install the programs you find to be extra. But I like the option to chose between KOffice and Open Office, or Juk and Amarok, I try them both and I decide. It's not like that in Windows XP. I have a copy of XP Pro. It fits on 1 CD, compared to SuSE 10's 5. And you know what, I have to pay extra for Microsoft Office, I have to download my PDF viewer, I have to download a decient music player, I have to download a decent browser, a decent chat program, or a good CD burner. I don't have to do that with SuSE. I just install what I want and I ditch what I don't. And to say say that Debian just slaps on every open Source Program they can find and say it like its a bad thing is an insult to open source as a whole. Open Source is about people sharing ideas and helping each other out to make improvements. Not every program is for everyone but at least we have the option. Windows isn't bloated, its an incomplete operationg system if you ask me.. To do anything usefull with it, and to keep it from destroying itself and taking your data with it you have to hunt for software. You want less of an operating system go with XP, and while your at it , you might as well beat some rocks together like a caveman.
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the more the better, i say. as long as you always have the choice to do minimal base install and then just install what you want, as you do with debian. what sense does it make to limit your choices? :confused:
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You got it bro!
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i am going to download debian with jigdo. :D
but will not install it at this moment, i am happy with suse right now. i need a new hdd for debian. |
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Now I see what you mean. You don't want a huge distro, you want choice. And that I agree with. You don't actually want a distro that installs every other program, you want a distro that allows you to choose... Well... No need for extra CDs(unless you don't have the internet). Just take what you need from apt... Best regards, |
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So your reasoning is flawed. You never limit your choices. Let me rephrase, if you don't install a program during installation, you can always install it anytime with apt-get or rpm or by compiling it. So... |
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