LinuxQuestions.org
Help answer threads with 0 replies.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Software
User Name
Password
Linux - Software This forum is for Software issues.
Having a problem installing a new program? Want to know which application is best for the job? Post your question in this forum.

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 04-28-2003, 08:34 PM   #1
wlfdgcrkz
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: North Hollywood Ca
Distribution: RedHat FreeBSD
Posts: 130

Rep: Reputation: 15
case of the greedy gui


perhaps somone could advise me on what approach i shoul assume in confronting an instability issue with certain cpu/ram intesive programs that consistantly crash while loading or when asked to perform some basic function. To preface my situation i will asy that these gui app bonks begain following a weeklong battle with dependencies. Yes i --force 'd on occasion. Following that virtual insanity and period of obsessive compulsive poor judgement i installed a gui package manager out of desperation fear and guilt from the --force ing. The dependencies were the usual gtk gcc etc PATH and version things. UNinstalling old versions nand updating never seemed to quell the complaints. any way i installed synaptic which of course is very gui. it compiled and ran fine. it informed me of a number of redundant installations which i "fixed" by removing the elder of redundentcies. I closed the gui and figured i had just solved my difficulties with dependencies. unfortunately i still recieve complaints and most graphical interfaces crash while loading or while performing the first moderately intesive task i request. My server has 1 gig of ddr on a pentium iv. please where do i begin troubleshooting.
]thanx
 
Old 04-28-2003, 09:52 PM   #2
BigNate
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Distribution: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat/CentOS
Posts: 719

Rep: Reputation: 30
If you have synaptic that also means you have apt? right?
From the command line try:
$apt-get update
$apt-get upgrade

this will update apt and then upgrade all the software on the computer. It may or may not fix your problem but it is where I usually start.

Also are there only some programs that crash while others do not?
Open some of the "intensive" programs and then hit ctrl-alt-F1 and run:
$top - it will show you what is chewin' your ram/cpu

Post back with results - Good Luck!
 
Old 04-28-2003, 11:02 PM   #3
wlfdgcrkz
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: North Hollywood Ca
Distribution: RedHat FreeBSD
Posts: 130

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
I had used apt-get earlier and it too informed me of some redundencies. I was prompted to run updaadett but it was silent about the tasks it had performed so i was unsure what if anything it had done. an example gui that crashes is XIPM-0.4.1-1. running $top turns up nothing. And no not all gui's crash just some. for instance opera stays up though it is far less intensive then XIPM. INterestingly enough rpm installs have been hanging on me now. when i ps with no option after closing the shell with the hung rpm pid rpm remains and i cant kill it. I cant kill anything. hung apps that wont close or wayward processes.
 
Old 04-28-2003, 11:32 PM   #4
wlfdgcrkz
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: North Hollywood Ca
Distribution: RedHat FreeBSD
Posts: 130

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
when i top during processing XIPM never uses more than 3% it stays under X and even under top. tThere are no process going crazy at all. I just get a segmentation fault midway through loading most intensive graphical apps.
 
Old 04-29-2003, 06:22 AM   #5
BigNate
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Distribution: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat/CentOS
Posts: 719

Rep: Reputation: 30
well, you must uninstall and reinstall problematic packages. If you installed source software, I would start with those as it is tough to mix source with an rpm based distro. one at a time using apt uninstall and reinstall the packages that are crashing. And when it tells you there are deps to satisfy - let apt d'l those too.
 
Old 04-29-2003, 03:58 PM   #6
wlfdgcrkz
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2003
Location: North Hollywood Ca
Distribution: RedHat FreeBSD
Posts: 130

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
I have uninstalled the troublesome gui's and reinstalled them in their different packages thinking that my help. it does not. but why should it if it is those small but critical gcc gtk atk sort of programs that are corrpt. unfortunately apt-get is not able to find these programs to uninstall. Perhaps it is because redhat 9 sticks with the lets move things around philosophy redhat seems to enjoy so much. The apt-get thing is strange becuse earlier it informed me of more redundencies of these little essentials but the upgrade arguement did not change anything. currently the update upgrade sequence turns up no redundencies or depencies whatever. So im not sure where to begin manually uninstalling some of these programs. There are so many of them and they all seem to rely on each other in insideous ways. I assume that one is corrupt or mismatched but I cant be certain. That is why I origionally turned to one of those graphgical install/dependency tools so i could see the reduncies and begin from there.
Im not yet at the point of reinstalling the os but i need to solve this within a week. My masquerading and intracate network scrips make a complete reinstall unappealin to say the least.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Old 04-29-2003, 05:04 PM   #7
Tinkster
Moderator
 
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: in a fallen world
Distribution: slackware by choice, others too :} ... android.
Posts: 23,066
Blog Entries: 11

Rep: Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910
Now I have to display my utter ignorance
of debians packaging system...

How would apt-get know about how to
uninstall stuff that presumably came with
RH, thus has been installed using RPM?
(Or did RH forfeit RPM in favour of apt
with version 9?)

What if you tried to uninstall it using RPM's
and re-install using apt-get?

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 04-29-2003, 06:53 PM   #8
BigNate
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Distribution: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat/CentOS
Posts: 719

Rep: Reputation: 30
Hello!

Apt was ported to Red Hat. I actually should have said that in my post but since the orig. poster was already using synaptic which is the graphical frontend to apt-rpm, I figured he already knew about using apt.

RH does not package apt with their install software it is something you must add. They continue to support the standard rpm.

It works really well (i think) - apt.freshrpms.net if you are interested (which you may not be since I see you use slackware

Cheers indeed!
 
Old 04-29-2003, 07:03 PM   #9
Tinkster
Moderator
 
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: in a fallen world
Distribution: slackware by choice, others too :} ... android.
Posts: 23,066
Blog Entries: 11

Rep: Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910
Hehe ... I can't be bothered to go read up on it,
I confess! (very happy slacker) :) But out of curiosity ...
If you install apt on RH, will it examine/convert
the RPM database? That still didn't get quite
clear to me ... :)

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 04-29-2003, 07:13 PM   #10
BigNate
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Distribution: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat/CentOS
Posts: 719

Rep: Reputation: 30
It does not convert the rpm DB. It works with it - it is a true port.

When apt is invoked it goes out to the specified url or mounted cd (whatever is listed in the soures list) It then grabs the needed RPM (that's the clincher) and all dependant rpms (the greatest feature) and downloads them and actually executes the:

$rpm -Uvh package_name.rpm

You see it is just like using RPM except that it does all the dep resolving for you as well the tedious retrieval/download process all from either the command line or a (albeit power hungry) easily accessible Graphical front end called synap
 
Old 04-29-2003, 07:17 PM   #11
BigNate
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Distribution: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat/CentOS
Posts: 719

Rep: Reputation: 30
As for wlfdg...

Did you use synaptic/apt to install gcc gtk...or did you force installs without them...because if you don't have them or they are corrupt as you put it - you can --purge remove or install them as they are rpm's as well.
 
Old 04-29-2003, 07:22 PM   #12
Tinkster
Moderator
 
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: in a fallen world
Distribution: slackware by choice, others too :} ... android.
Posts: 23,066
Blog Entries: 11

Rep: Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910Reputation: 910
Quote:
Originally posted by BigNate
It does not convert the rpm DB. It works with it - it is a true port.

When apt is invoked it goes out to the specified url or mounted cd (whatever is listed in the soures list) It then grabs the needed RPM (that's the clincher) and all dependant rpms (the greatest feature) and downloads them and actually executes the:

$rpm -Uvh package_name.rpm

You see it is just like using RPM except that it does all the dep resolving for you as well the tedious retrieval/download process all from either the command line or a (albeit power hungry) easily accessible Graphical front end called synap
Thanks for the exhaustive information mate,
greatly appreciated! :}

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 04-29-2003, 07:30 PM   #13
BigNate
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Distribution: Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat/CentOS
Posts: 719

Rep: Reputation: 30
Quote:
thnks for the exaustive information mate
- No problem I a big apt geek and I like to talk about it !!
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Something is greedy (do you know what) command line xpression Linux - General 2 09-22-2005 05:44 PM
Converting sLoPPy cASE to Pretty Case with tr lowpro2k3 Programming 4 04-13-2005 09:13 PM
Why are all my upper case files being shown as lower case?? [Kernel 2.6.9-1.667 FC3] t3gah Fedora 4 03-11-2005 05:09 PM
Lower case to upper case letter sudhasmyle Programming 1 12-03-2004 05:15 AM
Got greedy - now i need to roll back to the old graphics driver upnorth Linux - Newbie 2 12-21-2002 03:57 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:01 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration