beginner needs various help.
 

hi.

I just installed ubuntu with little(read : none) previous knowledge whatsoever about linux, thought it would be quite fun to learn som stuff instead of sittin in the same old win xp theme...

so, here are a couple od questions so far:

1. i installed the latest java viewing it by the terminal, which closed down after a while. now i have a map with java in my homemap, but when i try java -version in the terminal, it says bash: java: command not found. well, is it installed or not? :S

2. i cant get azureus to work, i downloaded the tar.bz2 and extracted it, did as the readme told me to, to start the file "azureus" and well, nothing happens. at all :/

3. I have some(quite a few) disks with ntfs containing lots of stuff id like to copy to the disk i have now, and then format them so i can use them both to write and read with linux.
a) how do i mount them? its hda1, hda2, hda5, sda1 and sda2 i would like to mount.
b) how do i format my discs?
c) how large files will the file system work with? (ie fat 32 supports up to 2 GB)

im sorry if i havent given all the info you will need, but i tried my best. sorry for my not-so-splendid english.

First, I recommend you do lots of reading (of course), since learning new concepts is a core idea of Linux.

1)
Make sure that your .bashrc file (in your home directory) has Java in the path. Below is a few lines extracted from mine which may help you:
This has been talked about many times, so again :study:
2)
Azureus will not work until Java is working. You can always try other bit torrent clients (the official one, ctorrent, etc.)
3)
a) man mount, then read up. Mount is a fairly commonly used command, so get used to it.
b) I recommend cfdisk
c) *shrugs*
I personally have my Windows XP partition as NTFS, then a seperate "bridge" partition as FAT32 (around 5gb total). That way I can transfer things back and forth. You might also look into having Windows read your Linux side, there are tools for reading ext2 / ext3, etc.

Good luck!

thx for answer, of course, im prepared to do my study, tho, im having a hard time finding manuals and guides.
would anyone be willing to direct me to a good beginners guide where i could read about the most basics?
would really appreciate that!
thx again

http://www.tldp.org/
Basically has tons of howtos and the like.
Besides reading, experimenting with your system is important. I personally have botched my system 6 or 7 times, all resulting in new learning experiences ("Oh, so binutils is important!" :D ).
Normally if you Google well you can find articles or howtos related to the subject you are trying to solve.
I heard a good recommendation once from someone who was learning Linux. They said each week they would try to learn to do something new with Linux. It might be something relatively simple, like playing .avi movies, or it could be some complex bash scripting problem. Then keep notes of everything you learn, so you can go back and remember if needed.
I'm sure you'll do fine with Linux though, all it takes is time.

It's so much easier than everything you've been doing. Thank God for the Ubuntu Guide:

http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat

Just follow those directions on that order, and you'll be fine. Of course, you'll have to change NTFS to FAT before you can read from/write to it successfully. Linux can do read-only on NTFS.

Ive tried those, but the packages cant be found, none of them :/

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe you. I'm using Ubuntu right now, and I installed those very same packages using Synaptic/apt-get.

Here's a shot of my Synaptic, after doing a search for "Azureus":

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/7031e6ba.png

The problem is you probably didn't go to the first link to enable extra repositories. Java and Azureus live in the extra repositories, not the default Ubuntu repositories that come with a fresh install.

Go to all of the links I gave you above in that exact order and follow those instructions word-for-word. You can even copy and paste the commands directly into your terminal.

it's far from impossible that i did wrong, but ok, so here's what im doing :

i do all things, open the sources.list and replace everything(even tried copy the whole sample), and then saved, and updated.
then i try to install java, and it says it cant find the packages. is there anything there im doing wrong?

:newbie: @ moi.

Before you searched for Java, did you do step 6 of enabling extra repositories?

sudo apt-get update

ok, so this is EXACTLY what im doing(trying again, really want this to work!)

1. in terminal:
sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list

i take the sample which is included beneath the code. paste it over the original sources.list

press "save" and exit.

in terminal:
sudo apt-get update (some errors shows up here, normal?)

2.

in terminal:
sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5

E: Kunde inte hitta paketet sun-j2re1.5 (translation : E: couldn+t find the package sun...)

so, what here am i doing wrong?

What errors show up?

By the way, this is what appears in my terminal when I type

sudo apt-get update

Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release.gpg
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras Release.gpg
Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B]
Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release.gpg [189B]
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras Release
Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release [16.9kB]
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/universe Packages
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/multiverse Packages
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/restricted Packages
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B]
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/main Packages
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/universe Packages
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/multiverse Packages
Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restricted Packages
Get:6 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages [30.3kB]
Get:7 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release [16.8kB]
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
Get:8 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/universe Packages [42.2kB]
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
Get:9 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/multiverse Packages [438B]
Get:10 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/restricted Packages [381B]
Get:11 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/main Packages [2490B]
Get:12 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/universe Packages [2943B]
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Sources
Get:13 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/multiverse Packages [33B]
Get:14 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restricted Packages [6122B]
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Sources
Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/restricted Sources
Fetched 119kB in 2s (45.4kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done

since they're in swedish, i will try to translate them as good as possible:

Misslyckades att hämta cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/dists/hoary/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Använd apt-cdrom för att APT ska känna igen denna cd. apt-get update kan inte användas för att lägga till skivor
Misslyckades att hämta cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/dists/hoary/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Använd apt-cdrom för att APT ska känna igen denna cd. apt-get update kan inte användas för att lägga till skivor
Läser paketlistor... Färdig
W: Kunde inte ta status på källkodspaketlistan cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 Filen eller katalogen finns inte)
W: Kunde inte ta status på källkodspaketlistan cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 Filen eller katalogen finns inte)
W: Du kan möjligen rätta problemet genom att köra "apt-get update"
E: Vissa indexfiler kunde inte hämtas, de har ignorerats eller så har de gamla använts istället.


failed to get cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/dists/hoary/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz

couldnt take status on sourcecodepackagelist drom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 the file or catalogue doesn't exist)

that one comes up twice, almost same thing asked for.

E: some indexfiles couldn't be downloaded. they have been ignored or the old one has been used.

ehm, should i be like root or anything?(might be obvious, but as i said before, i dont know NOTHING!) and in that case, what account is root? or is my account root, because i haven't made any other account besides this one im using. so confused :(

well, i tried download java from java.sun.com and succesfully installed it(i think) it says done after installation, but i still can't typ java -anything it doesnt finds the command :/

damn, i AM stupid :/ btw, thanx ALOT for all help :)

That means it's trying to pull from the CD-ROM source. When you copy and paste from the Ubuntu Guide, make sure you paste over all of what was there before. I would recommend, when you're in Gedit, typing Control-A to select all the text, then typing Control-V to paste everything you highlighted.

Ubuntu uses sudo instead of root. For more info:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?highlight=%28root%29

Can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list--the entire thing?

deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/ hoary main restricted


## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
## after the final release of the distribution.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
## team.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse

## Backports
deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted


there is mine.

See this line here?

Can you try replacing that with this?

## deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)]/ hoary main restricted

Then save your sources.list and type sudo apt-get update. What happens?

ok, that solved the problem, no errors when apt-updating, but it still says it cant find the jre :/

pontus@pingu:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
reading packagelists... done
Building pendenttree... done
E: couldnt find package sun-j2re1.5

Okay, at this point, you can stop using the terminal. Go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager, and do a search for "java" in Name and Description (not just name), or try searching for "j2." See what pops up.

Just re-read my post about putting the Java path into your .bashrc file. Re-open a terminal and try java again. There, good.

ok, so i search for bashrc and i find two textfiles : dot.bashrc and bash.bashrc and wonder, where should i put the two lines you gave me?

thx.

it's solved, thx all for helping a... less knowing linuxer. now on to that azureus :)

I installed Azureus from the package on their site, and as long as you have java setup correctly, you can just run azureus. That's the benefit of Java, you don't have to worry about libraries or other packages.
And just to be clear, I got the Linux GTK version of Azureus, at:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/a...r.bz2?download

Starting Azureus...
Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
Suitable java version found [java = 1.4.2]
Configuring environment...
Loading Azureus:
java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/home/pontus/Desktop/azureus/Azureus2.jar:/home/pontus/Desktop/azureus/swt.jar:/home/ pontus/Desktop/azureus/swt-mozilla.jar:/home/pontus/Desktop/azureus/swt-pi.jar" -Djava.library.path="/home/pontu s/Desktop/azureus" -Dazureus.install.path="/home/pontus/Desktop/azureus" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
Warning: -Xms16m not understood. Ignoring.
Warning: -Xmx128m not understood. Ignoring.
DEBUG::Sun Aug 21 00:52:47 GMT+02:00 2005
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.Provider not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemCla ssLoader{urls=[file:/home/pontus/Desktop/azureus/Azureus2.jar], parent=gnu.gcj.runtime.VMClassLoader{urls=[core: /], parent=null}}
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(java.lang.String, boolean) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
at java.lang.Class.forName(java.lang.String, boolean, java.lang.ClassLoader) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)

DEBUG::Sun Aug 21 00:52:47 GMT+02:00 2005
java.security.KeyStoreException: JKS
at java.security.KeyStore.getInstance(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)

DEBUG::Sun Aug 21 00:52:47 GMT+02:00 2005
java.security.KeyStoreException: JKS
at java.security.KeyStore.getInstance(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)

Exception in thread "main" DEBUG::Sun Aug 21 00:52:47 GMT+02:00 2005
java.lang.NullPointerException
at org.gudy.azureus2.core3.util.Debug.out(java.lang.String, java.lang.Throwable) (Unknown Source)

java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: libswt-pi-gtk-3106: /home/pontus/Desktop/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: kan inte öppna delad objektfil: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
at java.lang.Runtime._load(java.lang.String, boolean) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(java.lang.String) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
azureus: line 112: 14187 Avbruten (SIGABRT) ${JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR}java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "${CLASSPATH}" -Dj ava.library.path="${PROGRAM_DIR}" -Dazureus.install.path="${PROGRAM_DIR}" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main "$@"
Azureus TERMINATED.

could anybody tell me what is wrong with azureus? (i most be the most stupid there is :/)

I know you seemed to have difficulty with your repositories before, but have you tried sudo apt-get install azureus, since you apparently now have Java installed?

yes, it still won't work :/

Wait, that isn't the Sun Java JRE you downloaded, that is the open source / free implementation from GNU.
Notice this line: gnu.gcj.runtime...
So basically Azureus is looking for Sun libraries (SSL related by the look of things) and those haven't been implemented in GNU gcj, or whichever JRE you got from the repository.
Just forget about apt-bla for a while, and get the Java JRE 5.0 Update 4 from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
Download that, unpack it, move it somewhere, and point to that somewhere in your PATH (like you had before). The official Sun JRE really isn't hard to install, it is just a self extracting archive that dumps the whole JRE to your current directory.

EDIT: If you do have trouble with the Sun JRE, check out the instructions they have on their site.

it's already installed, but path? could you give me a brief instruction how-to? would be nice :)

Okay, whatever Java environment you downloaded from apt-get is not the official Sun one. So have you downloaded the Sun JRE as I outlined, and extracted that? Then just move that folder somewhere, and have your path point to it in the exact same way I outlined above.
Come on now, this isn't crazy hard, there is lots of documentation and help on the Sun site, so try looking there or learning on your own.

yes, i have installed the sun's one. i will just try to understand path now. thx alot :)

No more spoonfeeding, the Sun doc's are there for a reason. :tisk:

oh yeah, of course. actually i wasnt hunting for more help. thx alot for all help you have given me :)

ok, this is me desperate. i might have f*cked up $PATH quite severe...

but hey, is it like this;

:/home/pontus(usr?)/jre1.5.0_04/bin/

?

my $PATH looks like :

bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:
/usr/games:/home/pontus(usr?)/jre1.5.0_04/bin/ : The file or the catalogue does not exist.

typing in terminal : java works, geez, im getting f*ucked up, and tired. is it too much to ask for help? :(

I don't mind helping you out, but you might have to do more apt-getting.
The problem is really that you have to go one way or the other--either installing from source or installing from repositories. I would go with repositories for several reasons:

1. It's easier. You just click a few things or type sudo apt-get install packagename
2. It's easier to update.
3. There's more consistency if all of your packages are coming from the same place.
4. You're more likely to find support from the Ubuntu community, as we are all using apt-get Synaptic to install stuff.

That said, I realize you're having problems with apt-get, but it really does work. How deep are you into Ubuntu? Have you configured everything to your liking? Because if you haven't, I'd consider doing a clean reinstall and following only the directions I gave you with regard to repositories and apt-getting. You may also want to post this issue on the Ubuntu Forums. People there are extremely knowledgeable and helpful, and they could probably trouble-shoot a lot better than I can. Better yet, they all use Ubuntu.

plainly, im planning on a clean re-install. but Im using a 64bit version, could it make things turn out like this? or perhaps that ive chosen swedish? its my first day with linux ever, so well...

I really would encourage you to post to the Ubuntu Forums. They are quite helpful there--it's one of the major reasons I'm even using Ubuntu. I'm trying to help, but I'm a newbie myself and not that knowledgeable.

ok i will do! i would like to thank you two guys for helping me out as much as you could!

I noticed you posted it in the Ubuntu part of the LinuxQuestions forums. That's fine. But you may also want to post it in these forums:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

It's totally not associated with LinuxQuestions--it's just for Ubuntu users, and that was what I was originally referring to.
Wouldn't hurt to post both places, though.

long time since i met such patience and kindness in a forum. thanks alot :D

I think you'll find it's the general trend in Linux forums. Sure, you get the odd grouchy person who's not in a good mood, but for the most part users just want to help each other out. I don't know how I would have ever migrated to Linux four months ago if it weren't for the good-hearted people on Linux forums. Ah, now I'm getting all teary-eyed...

:cry:

I imagine this will be falling on deaf ears, but if we spoonfeed every new user we will end up with legions of Window like users; those that don't know how to use their computer, or care to put the time in. No matter how much Ubuntu and Mandriva and other friendly distros try to hold the user's hand, it really is important to learn in Linux, and become independant and competent. The docs for installing the Sun JRE are available, clear, and simple to follow. If meeep had done reading about the subject, he would have learned about bash environmental variables, making files executable, and apt-get.
Like the old saying goes, "teach a man to fish...", and I'm afraid that as certain outspoken Linux users clamor to gain widespread acceptance, we will see an inrush of newbies who do not care to learn, and will therefore remain newbies forever.
Just my 2 cents.

I agree in theory, but how do you teach someone something, especially over the internet (i.e., not in person)?
In person, it's far easier. You just point them in a direction and watch over their shoulders. If you see them messing up, you point it out and say, "Hold on. You're not following the directions. Look there."

On forums, it's a lot more difficult to draw that line. Now, there's a balance to be had. On the one hand, when people keep saying, "Okay. Now what do I do? Okay. Now what do I do?" they're just asking to be spoonfed, but when they've supposedly tried what they were supposed to do, and it still doesn't work, I think it makes sense to help them out.

I'm a newbie myself, and I can't say I understand every single thing about Linux. Very seldom have I compiled from source, but I've done it. I usually do RTFM, and so my questions are usually answered, but I also am pretty good about following instructions. I recently gave a workshop to my co-workers on how to use a particular computer program, and a number of them had difficulty even though the instructions were very clear and step-by-step.

I think there's a little bit of give-and-take. When a newbie posts a question, if the question is "How do I install Azureus?" with no indication whatsoever of any effort on the part of the OP, I'm not going to handhold, certainly. And, in fact, if you look back through the thread, I initially just gave a few links. That's what I do. I give links. Read this. Look at this. Follow these directions. But when people start getting errors, sometimes RTFM is not enough.

Yeah, I really think this will be an interesting development to see in how Linux goes. Hopefully it doesn't split too far on those that want user friendly and those that don't.
And I think that the OP had as much help as would be expected, the documentation from Sun _is_ extensive, and as you said in the previous posts there is apt-get as well. So then it seemed to me that he wasn't trying at that point. I just know that I did a lot of learning on my own, and I think it was for the best in the end.
Either way, like I said it will be interesting to see, especially with the huge drive (both community and monetary) that Ubuntu has.
:)

The real problem is that troubleshooting is extremely difficult to do over the internet.
That's how newbies get weeded out. Most people don't have friends in real life who are Linux experts, so if they can't read the manual or copy and paste commands into the terminal, then they most likely will not get Linux up and running, no matter how "user friendly" the distro is.