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Old 04-25-2013, 04:36 PM   #1
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which is the most used as a server is that centos or ubuntu in smal busssiness


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which is the most used in smal bussiness as a server is that centos or ubuntu.
if you answere the first question as centos ,from where I can download it easily and which version is the new. or if you answer as ubuntu from where I can download it easily and which version is new.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:41 PM   #2
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which is the most used in smal bussiness as a server is that centos or ubuntu.
I would guess that the answer is Centos, but, some of these things depend on location (and this may or may not be relevant to your purpose, as, if you just wanted to go with a popular option for the 'warm 'n fuzzy' that you'd get from using the same thing as other people in the same situation chose, it might be irrelevant, on the other hand if you were seeking the version that offered you the best opportunities for employment then the variety that is most popular in your target location might be very relevant).

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if you answere the first question as centos ,from where I can download it easily and which version is the new.
There are several options, one of which is http://iso.linuxquestions.org/ . Another is the website of the distro itself. If you do visit the website of the distro itself, I'm sure you'll find the issue of newness of versions discussed, so there is no point in answering it here.

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...or if you answer as ubuntu from where I can download it easily and which version is new.
As there may well be good reasons for not choosing the latest version of Ubuntu, could you please say what you intend to do with the information about newness, please? In any case, as it happens, it doesn't look as if the latest version is available from this site, so you could be better off going direct to the Ubuntu website (if, of course, the newest is really appropriate for your purpose, which it might not be).
 
Old 04-26-2013, 06:30 AM   #3
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I'm not a CentOS guy but you can get ubuntu server from:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ser...daily/current/ (Precise Pangolin is the latest stable LTS (long term support) version available or you can ge t it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ or their website http://www.ubuntu.com/server
 
Old 04-26-2013, 06:37 AM   #4
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which is the most used in smal bussiness as a server is that centos or ubuntu.
if you answere the first question as centos ,from where I can download it easily
I'm pretty sure that is Centos.

Start at
http://www.centos.org/

The link to the download page is pretty obvious on that page.
 
Old 04-26-2013, 06:53 AM   #5
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I guess it depends on what your using it for. If we use voip then we use centos 5.5 as it's solid and never fails, for everything else we use Ubuntu.

If your after a server to use for a small business, may I suggest Clearos. It's built on centos and quite user friendly to use

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Old 04-26-2013, 08:16 AM   #6
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CentOS
Ubuntu

in that order.
 
Old 04-26-2013, 08:26 AM   #7
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I would guess (at least until recently anyway) that Habitual's order is correct, but, because Linux is free, no-one actually knows
 
Old 04-26-2013, 01:46 PM   #8
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hello,

which is the most used in smal bussiness as a server is that centos or ubuntu.
if you answere the first question as centos ,from where I can download it easily and which version is the new. or if you answer as ubuntu from where I can download it easily and which version is new.
thanks
johan
as for popularity many business will use CentOS over Ubuntu due to the power that RHE brings to the table as well as their dedicated 5 year compatibility with its current working Kernel. What this means is that for the life of the release (RHE 5.x or RHE 6.x are the two current that are still in production with 5.x nearing the end of its support cycle.) you have 100% compatibility with the software that runs on that platform as well as storage (SAN, NAS, ETC...)

The draw back to this cycle is you are missing on a lot of "bleeding edge" tech that you might get from other distros. Keeping in mind that just about any Linux Distro can and will be able to function fully as a server, you just have to consider compatibility and if you want to fight to keep applications/services running without issue every 6mo (Ubuntu) or wait 5yr (RHE) before you have to fight with the system again.

Note I keep referring back to RHE. When CentOS first went live it was a 100% fork of RHE, today that is not the case. CentOS has crossed RHE with Fedora to bring more modern "bleeding edge" tech to its platform. It is still close and the kernel and many of the services are still 100% forks of RHE upstream release on their srpm's but do not confuse the old with the new CentOS. CentOS is NO LONGER 100% compatible with RHE.

Ubuntu was when it first went live a fork of pure Debian, an other great server class distro with a very good slow release cycle, thus making it loved by many linux enthusiasts as a server platform. it is stable. As of this month Canonical (the money behind Ubuntu) has increased its release cycle to 6mo. In other words it is now not a very good choice for a server as it will never have the time to become stable and every 6mo you will be faced with testing and updating in order to keep up with the security patches and releases of Canonical's current path for update cycle.

You can just google for either CentOS or Ubuntu and go directly to their web page for a link to download.
 
Old 04-26-2013, 09:28 PM   #9
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Debian is also strong in small businesses.

http://www.smallbusinesscomputing.co...usiness-2.html
 
Old 04-27-2013, 01:27 AM   #10
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Note I keep referring back to RHE. When CentOS first went live it was a 100% fork of RHE, today that is not the case. CentOS has crossed RHE with Fedora to bring more modern "bleeding edge" tech to its platform. It is still close and the kernel and many of the services are still 100% forks of RHE upstream release on their srpm's but do not confuse the old with the new CentOS. CentOS is NO LONGER 100% compatible with RHE.

Since the CentOS FAQ clearly states:

"CentOS exists to provide a free enterprise class computing platform to anyone who wishes to use it. CentOS 5 and 6 are built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor, often referred to as "Upstream" or "The Upstream Vendor (TUV)". CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (..)"

I have to ask you to please back your statement up with an official CentOS statement that supports what you said.
 
Old 04-27-2013, 01:33 PM   #11
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(RHE 5.x or RHE 6.x are the two current that are still in production with 5.x nearing the end of its support cycle.)
At the moment RHEL 5.x end of life is set for Q1 of 2020

should be around for a few weeks yet

https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata
 
Old 04-28-2013, 10:50 AM   #12
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Since the CentOS FAQ clearly states:

"CentOS exists to provide a free enterprise class computing platform to anyone who wishes to use it. CentOS 5 and 6 are built from publicly available open source SRPMS provided by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor, often referred to as "Upstream" or "The Upstream Vendor (TUV)". CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (..)"

I have to ask you to please back your statement up with an official CentOS statement that supports what you said.
ill dig around later and back up my statements with the fact that CentOS is not following RHE 5.x and 6.x standards and that in many cases as stated above CentOS will add Fedora repos to its platform, thus breaking the upstream from RHE.

The CentOS project started doing this early 5.x and have continued to fork further and further away from RHE due to the request of users to have more "bleeding edge" tech in their server. this breaks the upstream model created and stabilized by RH.

If you were to grab the most current vs of RHE 6.x and CentOS 6.x they would not be srpm for srpm the same. CentOS will have done more then just removed the RH trademarks, names, and icons.
 
Old 04-28-2013, 11:01 AM   #13
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At the moment RHEL 5.x end of life is set for Q1 of 2020

should be around for a few weeks yet

https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata
sorry was i thinking what RHE is now calling Production 1 and their older 5-7yr cycle. as RHE5 went live in 2007, that would be 6 years ago, it would have ended its cycle soon. With the new 10yr cycle it will have 4 years remaining before it enters extended support. This is something that CentOS will not have access to as you have to buy the extended support from RH directly and they do not support CentOS during this phase of the life cycle:

https://access.redhat.com/site/articles/3078#RHEL5

In addition in the past CentOS and all other forks of RHE are typically not allowed access to what RH is now calling Production 2 and 3. Still leaving CentOS with a, now, 5.5yr life cycle for support. That is much longer then Ubuntu with its current 6mo release cycle as stated above or even pure Debian with its 18mo release cycle.

Does not change my points. All Linux distros can be used successfully as servers. One of the many concerns of the system administrator needs to be longevity of support and backwards compatibility of hardware, services, and 3rd party software that the business will be running.

RHE with extended support can give you one of the longest in the business, if you want to pay that much for it. Not really that pricy in the long run. If you are comfortable with a 5yr cycle then CentOS is a great choice. If you want more bleeding edge tech and are not worried about backwards compatibility over the life of the business because you are only using say e-mail and web services then any other Distro will work just as well including Ubuntu or raw Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, etc...
 
Old 04-28-2013, 11:36 AM   #14
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lleb I am not sure that's true..

If that were the case there would never be later releases of CentOS which match RHEL i.e one would not see CentOS 4.9 http://vault.centos.org/4.9/isos/ as that would of been in the later stages of RHEL release cycle(s).

For RHEL 5.x if Redhat release another update in Q4 2019 or Q1 2020 the world should still see a CentOS release... not saying that Redhat will release many RHEL releases in the later parts of the release cycle but for things like security updates these will still roll down to CentOS given the time it takes CentOS to do changes.

That's one of the reasons why CentOS 6 was delayed in the first place as CentOS wanted to concentrate on deployed releases first.

As for the repository question if you install just CentOS without the extra repository or adding any other repo's then you won't get Fedora packages (as far as I know).... There will always be slight differences as CentOS does not know how RHEL are compiling the source packages but as far as possible CentOS should be as close as possible to the upstream.

I would add that if people do require anything that is bleeding edge or solid for CentOS they can compile the packages themselves and I would hope that a lot of SMB to Enterprise companies are doing things this way to keep things the way they require.

My personal choice is not to use Ubuntu for anything other than desktops or testing labs (I know a lot of development people like to use the buntu's due to the simplicity to get latest packages) due to the constant churn... its just Chaos...

Hdaz

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Old 04-28-2013, 11:40 AM   #15
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hyperdaz, direct from CentOS FAQ

http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#h...91e1dde5b75e6d
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21. What is the support ''end of life'' for each CentOS release?

CentOS 3 CentOS-3 updates until Oct 31, 2010
CentOS 4 CentOS-4 updates until Feb 29, 2012
CentOS 5 CentOS-5 updates until Mar 31, 2017
CentOS 6 CentOS-6 updates until November 30, 2020
 
  


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