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Old 03-16-2007, 09:43 PM   #1
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Unhappy mod_userdir Mandriva 2007 Free


hi. in searching the forums, i've not found any thread re: apache-mod_userdir and Mandriva

having used FC5 for several months as a home Workstation / Testing Server, and now using Mandriva (at least temporarily) for the same, i must say i don't understand why it seems that the familar ./home/*/public_html/ for a "User Dir" isn't supported. it's merely mentioned in (what i would assume is a custom version for Mandriva) httpd.conf, as follows:
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## LoadModule userdir_module modules/mod_userdir.so
-> available in the apache-mod_userdir package
curious also why some modules are commented w/ one "hash mark" (octothrope), vs two-- where mod_userdir does have two.

perhaps i'm to go about having a "user's localhost" in a different manner here in Mandriva? perhaps, in my limited familiarity w/ Mandriva itself, there's more i should know-- such as "Mandriva isn't packaged to be a fully functional Web Server / Mandriva isn't meant to support User directories"?

it would seem, as it stands, i'd be forced to use "root" to properly develop web stuff. what am i missing here?

i've tried #] urpmi apache-mod_userdir (and several variations thereof), and nothing seems to give me an option to install a mod_userdir "package". is there something like a yum.repos.d that i need to configure here to provide myself some more resources?

looking for advice on this issue. thanks!

respectfully,
Dude S.Confused

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Old 03-16-2007, 10:49 PM   #2
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System--> Configuration--> Configure your computer [enter root pasword]. Go to software management, click on look at installable software and install packages. In the serach box type drakwizard select and install it. Close the Mandriva linux Control Centre, then restart it, if you look in the list of choices you will see a sharing section, click it and there you can configure a webserver.
 
Old 03-17-2007, 05:14 AM   #3
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and Mandriva's webserver configuration has the enable users to have a public_html folder option in it.
then, http://localhost/~username will get you the user's webspace.
 
Old 03-17-2007, 10:39 AM   #4
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ahhh.. that's cool. i trust that what you've instructed is "the right way" to do it. thank you!

if i may ask a few "rhetorical" questions, this has sparked my curiosity about a few things...

Who is the Mandriva Audience?:
having mod_userdir in a GUI config resource seems reminescent of something "MS Windows-like", yet-- not even! because it's more intuitive (considering the more Global sense of things becoming simplified, Abstrated, and from the perspective of someone who otherwise might not have interest in fiddling w/ configuring server modules via CLI and VIM, for example, etc.) ... yet, this higher level of abstraction (?) would still seem uncharacteristic of Linux.

so far, i really like Mandriva. everything just seems "right" out of the box and, for lack of a better term, "easy" here. (i will probably buy it, which is a good thing, right?) perhaps this mod_userdir / "drakwizard" approach to the ./*/public_html is part of a more grande scheme for develping the "User's Distro"-- and [i'd say] it's totally "forgivable" that it's not conspicuously visible YET in the documentation. (maybe it is "obvious" in the non-Free version?)

however, feeling like i learned a fair amount while fumbling/ learning in FC5 -- i can't help but wonder: is Mandriva a "step backward" for me in terms of learning? should i expect to hit more situations like this where the more traditional methods are gone, in favor of an attempt to appeal to the more traditional public [MS Windows] user? i could say "what do i care?" -- but i like the fact that, having learned what i have in FC5, for example-- i've been able to understand and work effectively w/ a partner [an advanced, BSDi user] in administering a VPS server on CentOS.

i'm having a difficult time spitting it out, but i guess question is:
what might i expect to "sacrifice" in learning about "UNIX" from being a "Mandriva User" vs learning about UNIX admin as a "Fedora User"?

would anyone agree that it is a valid concern?

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Old 03-17-2007, 12:28 PM   #5
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Spoke Too Soon! Please Skip My Reply Above

hi there. i'm sorry to reply again, but i spoke too soon. searching w/ Rpmdrake did NOT reveal "drakwizard"

i recorded the following "Sorry" messages, which i thought are possibly related. At this point i don't know which way to turn-- as if it's going to be more than the simple few steps mentioned above, as follows:
Quote:
drakxtools-http-10.4.81-2.2mdv2007.0.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl-Authen-PAM[>= 0.14-1mdk])
Sorry, the following package(s) can't be selected:

apache-mod_dav_svn-1.3.2-5.1mdv2007.0.i586 (due to unsatisfied apache-mod_dav[*][>= 2.0.54])

Sorry, the following package(s) can't be selected:

webmin-1.290-4.3mdv2007.0.noarch (due to unsatisfied perl-Authen-PAM[*])
Sorry, the following package(s) can't be selected:

park-rpmdrake-3.19-1.1mdv2007.0.i586 (due to unsatisfied scanssh) [note: this was before i realized i was actually using "Rpmdrake"!]
What do you need to know about my system that i haven't yet told you? what's the best way to give you a summary report?

off the top of my head, and a cursory "man -k ..." search, i decided to start w/ chkconfig. it's probably not gonig to help, but at least i feel a bit more clever about reporting something. hehe
Code:
[root@localhost ~]# chkconfig --list
acpi            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
acpid           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
alsa            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
apmiser         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
atd             0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
avahi-daemon    0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:off   5:on    6:off
avahi-dnsconfd  0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:off   5:on    6:off
bluetooth       0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
clamd           0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
cpufreq         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
crond           0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
cups            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
dm              0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:on    6:off
dund            0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
freshclam       0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
haldaemon       0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
harddrake       0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
hidd            0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
httpd           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
jabber          0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
jabber-aim      0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
jabber-conference       0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
jabber-msn      0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
keytable        0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
kheader         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:off   5:on    6:off
lircd           0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
lircmd          0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
lisa            0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
messagebus      0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
mtink           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
named           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
netfs           0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
network         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
network-up      0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
nfs             0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
nfslock         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
nscd            0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
ntpd            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
numlock         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
oki4daemon      0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
pand            0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
partmon         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
portmap         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
postfix         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
postgresql      0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
proftpd         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
rpcgssd         0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
rpcidmapd       0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
rpcsvcgssd      0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
smb             0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
sound           0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
spamd           0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
sshd            0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
syslog          0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
ultrabayd       0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:off   6:off
winbind         0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
wltool          0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
xfs             0:off   1:off   2:on    3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
xinetd          0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off

xinetd based services:
        chargen:        off
        chargen-udp:    off
        cups-lpd:       off
        cvs:            off
        daytime:        off
        daytime-udp:    off
        echo:           off
        echo-udp:       off
        ftp:            on
        proftpd-xinetd: off
        rsync:          off
        services:       off
        sshd-xinetd:    off
        swat:           off
        time:           off
        time-udp:       off

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Old 03-17-2007, 02:48 PM   #6
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Try this as root in a console window. urpmi drakwizard should this fail please post the results.
 
Old 03-17-2007, 03:01 PM   #7
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1) I actually have told Mandriva this, but they have not fixed the issue:
Mandriva 2007 cannot apply any updates, or install any software as available for download, the drakxtools package manager is broken.
[ the fix: install mandriva from scratch again, get the updates before rebooting from the install program. make sure you install drakxtools, rpmdrake, urpmi, binutils ( base system ) updates for sure, the rest are available if these are gotten. ]

2) if you are not finding it in the list of installable software, then it is already installed.

3) the error messages tell me that rpmdrake is not patched to fix the issues I mentioned first off.
[ you have to tell rpmdrake where to get online repository from for updates and additional packages. ]

Mandrake Linux was meant from the beginning to be a user friendly distro, and they developed a lot of gui tools that make it a very good distro for new to linux from windows use. They changed their name to Mandriva for two reasons, lost court case [ Mandrake the Magician won ] and the buying out of Connectiva Linux.

~wanders off muttering .. I really need to get a life, testing new releases of most distros for bugs is just driving me insane~
[ PCLinuxOS has the Mandriva wizards that make Mandriva a user friendly distro, texstar based, synaptic package manager, I'm actually really impressed with this distro that hasn't even hit release 1.0 yet. ]

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Old 03-17-2007, 03:36 PM   #8
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wouldn't it figure that, of all my blabbering i actually deleted the one thing you'd ask for-- that is, i've tried getting drakwizard (per research before my initial post here) via command line, unsuccessfully:
Code:
[root@localhost ~]# urpmi drakwizard
no package named drakwizard
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaqui
...the drakxtools package manager is broken.
[ the fix: install mandriva from scratch again, get the updates before rebooting from the install program
if i recall correctly, i DID do the on-line updates thing during initial installation, however, as i did re-install from scratch at least once (maybe twice), it's possible i'm wrong about that.

in writing: 1.), 2.), and 3.)... are you suggesting that these are 3 separate options for "fixing" the broken rpm manager, or that i should do these in order, 1-2-3 etc.?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaqui
3) the error messages tell me that rpmdrake is not patched to fix the issues...
[ you have to tell rpmdrake where to get online repository from for updates and additional packages. ]
is it not standard practice to tell the system which repos you want it to use? (i.e. --enablerepo=livna, for example in FC5)?
don't get me wrong-- i don't necessarily expect or want it to be so much "the same as" FC5, yet-- much of it does seem similar, so-- this is why i don't understand precisely what you mean here at #3. i get the feeling you're telling me its "a bad thing" that i want to tell Mandriva where to get the repos-- whereas, in FC5, this would be par for the course.
what about 2007 vs 2006. would you recommend i start over w/ v.2006? i think i have 2005-SE mini (D/L'd while waiting for the 2007 iso's... sort of random i guess...). i haven't been following Mandriva really until one day when i checked it out-- i suspect the 2007 may be "too new", and no "bugs have been worked out" yet?

thanks for your help!

EDIT:
(ps. a magician sued Linux distro? what a chump. probably rec'd by his management or some stupid shyt. that's pretty pathetic though...
for a while, i was confusing it w/ "Mantrid" a character from a rather odd, Canadian sci-fi TV series, Lexx)

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Old 03-17-2007, 04:48 PM   #9
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Actually, a lot of the newer distros are setting a default repository for updates instead of giving you a list to choose from, Mandriva give you the list.

nope, the numbers were for the different points in your post that I was addressing, the only fix is to get the drakxtools and rpmdrake updates while still in the installer.
you can get all of them, but it has always been a very slow update process for me that way, using the drakxtools afterwards the updates seem to download faster.

It was the Management for the magician that did the law suit, the magician is retired, but they were claiming infringement of the name.

Mandriva is soon releasing 2007.1, they have gone back to a six month release cycle.
They broke the updates for 2006, they merged the repositories for 2006 and 2007 and all updates fatally error on 2006 now.

While I don't detest Mandriva as much as I do RH and Suse, I would actually use PCLinuxOS before Mandriva, it is actually a far better package overall. [ all the nice easy to work with features of Mandriva, with far less resource hungry bloat features. ]

since this started as a mod userdir question, I'm going to hazzard a guess that you will be using the system as a server, while any distro will work fine for this, the minimalist distros, like debian, slakware and gentoo are more suited to this, they do not install a lot of stuff that a server really doesn't require like the majority of distros do. the xserver is a good example, it sucks resources that a server can use for the work just to give you a "pretty" gui to work with instead of the command line. the gui is available, just not installed unless you tell it to install.
[ once you get more comfortable with linux and apache, then these minimalist distros are a viable option. they presuppose a fair amount of knowledge that the others don't, making them less user friendly for those just learning linux. ]
 
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Ahem, I'm slightly confused here, which release of Mandriva are you using? Is it 2007 free? or are you using the 'Odin' release (which in fact is a beta of their next release)?
 
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hey there guys! sorry for my disappearing act. Ha! i was off on a date w/ Mandrake! haha... get it? hee hee. "that was funny, Marge, and you know it was funny!"

anyway-- seriously-- you guys did a great job of entertaining my interests throughout this thread-- very much the sort of conversation i was looking for.

as for "What is my purpose"? heck-- i don't know really!
i know one thing, i WONT be actually running a "live server" from this location (re: the VPS thing i've got going w/ a friend), but i do like the idea of having a full-blown localhost, and i'm wanting to get into Python, and a few other things-- and the missing mod_user thing kind of scared me-- and i'm probably justified there.

though i've never tried Debian, i always got the impression that FC5 and Debian were "sorta similar" in terms of "training-wheels". (isn't Ubuntu some sort of Debian spin-off?). for what it's worth-- i didn't like Ubuntu AT ALL! i thought it was lame. (did i say that already in this thread? sorry!)

as for CLI vs X-Server stuff-- my guess is i'd get frustrated w/ a non-X system. for administering a server, i'm sure i'd be just fine w/ VIM and the text environment-- but i'm too into stuff like Inkscape, Bluefish, Quanta+, Mozilla, and all that stuff that i'd end up using the X enough to make it sensible for me to have a system designed to run it.

i haven't gone back to mandriva since that day (we last communicated). the thought of another 4 hour installation turned me off. the version is Mandriva Free 2007 (i think 4 ISO CD-ROM discs)

thanks again for your communication here! i definitely gained some perspective.
 
  


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