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Old 05-06-2006, 03:06 PM   #106
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Longhorn was just a develeopment name and was never going to be sold as that.

My sony walkman is called an ipod by people,
i tell people i dont have windows on my pc and the assums i have a mac even though macs arent realy pc's.
people assume that these things are correct due to the correct marketing. M$ doesnt realy lie in any of its ad's, they are just well marketed products.

A xp home edition upgrade costs around the 70 thats just for the home upgrade, and it doesnt even upgrade from win2k.

I thought Xandros was free?
I dont realy think that a fee should be charged for any linux distro realy unless it is for big business, although you only realy pay for the tech support, LQ has solved all my probs, thanks for that.

M$ tried to chrage me 50 to help them fix a win2k prob for me.

Vista is just another way for them to refresh their profits, from what i have seen Aero is the only major change from xp, o and that there is a google desktop tool bar, and a different colour task bar.

Hmm M$ the transparency effects arent even that good. Get it sorted, spend more time on coding it, get it great, put back in the new shell and the new filesystem, then release a good product rather than a half hearted money making OS.
Great points.
I assume you mean the MSN Desktop Toolbar though.
 
Old 05-06-2006, 03:40 PM   #107
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i tell people i dont have windows on my pc and the assums i have a mac even though macs arent realy pc's.
Here's a question for you. I was always under the understanding a Mac was not a PC because it ran on a different arch. They used Motarola and IBM processors instead of Intel and AMD. The PPC arch instead of x86. So if Apple has now switched to Intel with the x86, is the Mac now a PC?

At what point is a "Mac" no longer a "Mac"? I run Linux, but I still use a PC.
 
Old 05-11-2006, 10:43 AM   #108
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I installed the Vista beta 2 on one of my machines, it was uninspiring to say the least; I spent 30mins poking about, then left it well alone. Fundamentally, there's no difference in spec between Vista and 2000, just more nagging & lagging. Just my opinion.
 
Old 05-11-2006, 11:01 AM   #109
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Here's a question for you. I was always under the understanding a Mac was not a PC because it ran on a different arch. They used Motarola and IBM processors instead of Intel and AMD. The PPC arch instead of x86. So if Apple has now switched to Intel with the x86, is the Mac now a PC?

At what point is a "Mac" no longer a "Mac"? I run Linux, but I still use a PC.
A heart transplant doesn't make you someone else. Although thinking about it, a brain transplant does, so maybe you are correct. Maybe mac just means OS now. If the CPU is now PC architechture then all the other bits are just different choices in sound card, graphics card, motherboard, etc. Do you think that Apple will release MacOS as a PC OS despite their current position?
 
Old 05-11-2006, 12:07 PM   #110
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A mac is not a PC, to the best of my knowledge, due to the way it boots. PC's use a BIOS, where macs do not. Even the new intel macs dont use a bios. They still use the macs Open firmware interface, i think thats what it is called, rather than the PC's bios. This is where the term PC and Mac are different i think.

Just my 2cents
 
Old 05-11-2006, 01:53 PM   #111
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I have been told that the way a mac boots is better than using a BIOS. There have been rumors of the PC world switching to a similar system but they quickly get shot down. I think MS has alot to do with that actually.
 
Old 05-12-2006, 10:29 AM   #112
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A mac is not a PC, to the best of my knowledge, due to the way it boots. PC's use a BIOS, where macs do not...
now... that was hilarious!!!

ok... let me put down to words my thinkings

PC stands for Personal Computer, pretty clear its purpose is, isn't it? Opposite to Mainframes/Servers which its mission is to provide critical, productive applications and/or services, based on the client-server architecture. Here you are confusing micro-architectures (x86, x86_64, Alpha, Sparc, Amiga, Motorola's 68000, Power-PC, etc -- basically the differences between CISC and RISC processors) with the purpose of a computer.

To me, any Mac or IBM-based computer is a PC, as to personal-computing purposes (that includes laptops too).

The MacInteltoshes boot from something developed by Intel called EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface), created to replace the actual BIOSes, yes we all shall boot from those in a near future, but Apple modified their EFIs putting away the backward BIOS support provided by Intel; but sometime ago Apple provided something called Boot Camp which provides windoze drivers and lets you boot to it, of course you can put Linux there with LILO or any other loader.

The argument that Macs aren't PCs because don't have a BIOS is nonsense, it's like saying that I don't have a videocard just because it is PCI-express and not AGP, or that I don't have network because I don't have an UTP cable with a RJ-45 on each ending (we have WLAN in the office).

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Old 05-12-2006, 10:55 AM   #113
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I was planning to upgrade my computer to play the new generation of games and eventually upgrade to Vista. Now, I'm not so sure I want do it. The past years, there were very few games that actually brought something new. Most of them just has a new graphics engine. The gameplay itself is stuck somewhere in the late 90's. Take away the fancy shadows and light effects from FEAR or Doom 3 and all you get is the same dull game we all played before.

Also, while I don't have a top-of-the-line machine, (but it works pretty good and fast for everything I do, thank you very much)... I really can't find a good reason to upgrade my computer besides games. And since games are not that good anyway to purchase a high-end graphics card, I really see no point in upgrading.

I think I should check out old school games (emulators) and the games I can play in Linux natively or through Cedega and remove Windows completely from my PC's.

I don't think Windows is a bad OS. Far from it. I just find it pointless to upgrade to a newer Operating system when nothing is wrong with my current system...

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Old 05-12-2006, 11:15 AM   #114
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now... that was hilarious!!!

ok... let me put down to words my thinkings
There's no need to mean.

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PC stands for Personal Computer, pretty clear its purpose is, isn't it? Opposite to Mainframes/Servers which its mission is to provide critical, productive applications and/or services, based on the client-server architecture. Here you are confusing micro-architectures (x86, x86_64, Alpha, Sparc, Amiga, Motorola's 68000, Power-PC, etc -- basically the differences between CISC and RISC processors) with the purpose of a computer.

To me, any Mac or IBM-based computer is a PC, as to personal-computing purposes (that includes laptops too).

The MacInteltoshes boot from something developed by Intel called EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface), created to replace the actual BIOSes, yes we all shall boot from those in a near future, but Apple modified their EFIs putting away the backward BIOS support provided by Intel; but sometime ago Apple provided something called Boot Camp which provides windoze drivers and lets you boot to it, of course you can put Linux there with LILO or any other loader.

The argument that Macs aren't PCs because don't have a BIOS is nonsense, it's like saying that I don't have a videocard just because it is PCI-express and not AGP, or that I don't have network because I don't have an UTP cable with a RJ-45 on each ending (we have WLAN in the office).
What your saying makes sence, but does not answer the question. If your going to bash his answer because its wrong, then you could at least provide an answer you consider right. So, what makes a Mac a Mac as opposed to a PC?
 
Old 05-12-2006, 11:53 AM   #115
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...So, what makes a Mac a Mac as opposed to a PC?
Actually, nothing. It's a PC too. Same micro-architecture (x86, no support for 64bits right now), UNIX-based system, upgraded boot and hardware management system (EFI over BIOS), albeit you can even run windoze on it! (Linux runs on anything, even a dead badger )

The unique differences I notice between a Mac and a PC right now, are that Macs are the price and the "beautifulness" (nice design? tons of colorful lights?); nothing more, nothing less. Though you can spend that money on a IBM-based computer, and get tons of lights and nice designs too, Apple offers nothing special right now (not even the OS), just a bunch of bugs that can have a clear fight for the most vulnerable OS crown with micro$oft's windoze.

Apple once had a special place, offering "better" computing for a higher price. Easiness to use and a stabler OS. Now they offer Intel-based computers and they keep their bank accounts busy thanks to that tiny device that can reproduce music anywhere, when microsoft starts offering such class of device there won't be any difference between them.

Now microsoft wants everyone to update their hardware in order to "run" (as if that could actually run) their upcoming, only God knows when, Vista OS... shame on them! I hope common folk and average Joes avoid the trap, open their minds, start acting as if they had 3 fingers of forehead and make the jump to any linux flavour.

Maybe the world ends before that happens... some apocalyptic prophecies are being fulfilled
 
Old 05-12-2006, 12:24 PM   #116
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What your saying makes sence
Is sence the American spelling or was that a typo?

I spell it as "sense" and I find the American spelling of words kinda confusing lol
 
Old 05-12-2006, 01:04 PM   #117
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No your right. Thats a good ol' American typo.
 
Old 05-12-2006, 01:24 PM   #118
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I see.

Sorry, I don't mean to be one of those members who always point out your mistakes lol
 
Old 05-12-2006, 02:56 PM   #119
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Usually I find with American and English spellings of words, the only major difference is with words that put "U"s in and we don't. For example don't English spell honor with a u?
 
Old 05-12-2006, 03:30 PM   #120
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Yep, though I'm not THAT good with spelling myself.

There are some words I'm used to spelling the American way because I'm interested in web development (e.g.: color==British spelling:colour).

The only word I can think of at the moment that doesn't use a "u" is grey (gray in British language)

Now I'm interested to know how some of the British words came to be spelt differently; whether it was education or people of foreign tongues who spelt words according to the sounding.

Hmm something for me to find out I guess lol
 
  


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