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Old 11-17-2006, 12:55 PM   #421
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This whole M$ and $u$e crap is getting bothersome. Steve Ballmer is a fucking nimrod, Vista will suck out loud, and Bill Gates is still the anti-christ. Just WTF is Ballmer bitching about anyway? Just how exactly is Linux infringing on M$' IP? It's funny how nobody can get a straight answer out of that fat sack of crap. I've been reading up on Vista's "new features" and it seems like whenever they're not ripping off Linux or Macintosh (or in some cases even BeOS) they're making up useless crap that bogs down the system. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm sick of bloatware. I haven't used an M$ operating system for nearly six years now. The only time M$ has made an even halfway decent OS with some usability was Win2k and it sucked out loud too. If you ask me, the best thing that we can do, as the Linux Community, is to just start ignoring M$. The sooner we all ditch M$ and Windows, the happier we'll all be. You wanna play video games? Go buy a Nintendo Wii, for god's sake. You wanna help Grandma get on the Internet? Buy her an any-idiot-can-configure-it-out Macintosh. That's my opinion. Linux for the techies, Mac for the novice, and Windows in the trash can. You don't like it? Good! That means you have formulated your very own opinion, and you are exercising freedom of choice. Now stop downloading porn, get the fuck out of your mom's basement, (or your damned cubicle) and ask that hot chick who works at Starbuck's out for a date. (Dude, she totally wants you!)
 
Old 11-17-2006, 03:13 PM   #422
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This whole M$ and $u$e crap is getting bothersome. Steve Ballmer is a fucking nimrod, Vista will suck out loud, and Bill Gates is still the anti-christ. Just WTF is Ballmer bitching about anyway? Just how exactly is Linux infringing on M$' IP? It's funny how nobody can get a straight answer out of that fat sack of crap. I've been reading up on Vista's "new features" and it seems like whenever they're not ripping off Linux or Macintosh (or in some cases even BeOS) they're making up useless crap that bogs down the system. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm sick of bloatware. I haven't used an M$ operating system for nearly six years now. The only time M$ has made an even halfway decent OS with some usability was Win2k and it sucked out loud too. If you ask me, the best thing that we can do, as the Linux Community, is to just start ignoring M$. The sooner we all ditch M$ and Windows, the happier we'll all be. You wanna play video games? Go buy a Nintendo Wii, for god's sake. You wanna help Grandma get on the Internet? Buy her an any-idiot-can-configure-it-out Macintosh. That's my opinion. Linux for the techies, Mac for the novice, and Windows in the trash can. You don't like it? Good! That means you have formulated your very own opinion, and you are exercising freedom of choice. Now stop downloading porn, get the fuck out of your mom's basement, (or your damned cubicle) and ask that hot chick who works at Starbuck's out for a date. (Dude, she totally wants you!)
I think Windows 95/98 was their better versions. They were fairly responsive, and iirc, you didn't have these "Ok, our user is an idiot. Lets give it these wizards so that any fool can do it, but we don't want them doing it any other way, so we'll remove the other meathods", at least near to the extent XP has them.

BTW, What features will Vista have that hasn't been ripped off, besides loading everything with DRM, even your cat's litter box (have to clean it once a week, or the system will call the HUmane Society because you are doing something illegal)?
 
Old 11-17-2006, 04:49 PM   #423
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...BTW, What features will Vista have that hasn't been ripped off....
The gorgeous .... blue screens LOL!
Nothing like those
 
Old 11-17-2006, 05:46 PM   #424
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The gorgeous .... blue screens LOL!
Nothing like those
I've gotten grey screens when my .xinitrc file didn't execute right, and I've seen copies of the BSoD made into wallpapers...

I should get one of those, make it my openbox wallpaper, and let everyone think my system is perpetually crashing.
 
Old 11-17-2006, 09:19 PM   #425
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I'd say that Microsoft owes the Linux community for all the ideas that Microsoft "borrowed" from the community.
 
Old 11-17-2006, 09:40 PM   #426
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I'd say that Microsoft owes the Linux community for all the ideas that Microsoft "borrowed" from the community.
I'd say stole. MS hasn't made a real invovation in ages. Its out-dated, and its momentum is running out.
 
Old 11-17-2006, 11:22 PM   #427
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I'd say stole. MS hasn't made a real invovation in ages. Its out-dated, and its momentum is running out.
I'll second that. MS has definitely lost its momentum AND motivation without a doubt.
 
Old 11-18-2006, 08:18 AM   #428
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I'll second that. MS has definitely lost its momentum AND motivation without a doubt.
What momentum? I don't think they had any to start with except for taking IBM's ideas for MS-DOS.

I think Microsoft got the edge in Windows 95, but as they slow down, the open-source community is rapidly gaining on them, if not, surpassed them in most fields.

The big thing that's left now is to get a large computer vendor (like Dell) to distribute Linux as an option for destop users.
 
Old 11-18-2006, 12:47 PM   #429
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... I've seen copies of the BSoD made into wallpapers...

I should get one of those, make it my openbox wallpaper, and let everyone think my system is perpetually crashing....
Actually micro$oft has a screensaver with a BSOD and continual rebooting mock up

And looks pretty real too...
 
Old 11-18-2006, 01:53 PM   #430
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What momentum? I don't think they had any to start with except for taking IBM's ideas for MS-DOS.

I think Microsoft got the edge in Windows 95, but as they slow down, the open-source community is rapidly gaining on them, if not, surpassed them in most fields.

The big thing that's left now is to get a large computer vendor (like Dell) to distribute Linux as an option for destop users.
They have momentum from just the sheer amount of people who will only use Windows (and they actually make some decent games. GASP!). This trend is changing with MacOS, Linux, BSD, and Unixes that are taking over the market. MacOS does just about anything most people want, and does it fairly well. Linux is great for power users, and iirc, plays nicely with MacOS. BSD and Unix aren't quite as big, but they have potential (Unix because it cost money, and BSD seems to be growing fairly rapidly).

Also, iirc, Intel has laptops you can get Linux on, just no one caries them in stores!
 
Old 12-05-2006, 01:51 PM   #431
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Quote from article linked by original poster "...if you buy a new Windows-based PC at the end of this year or any time in, say, the next five years, you'll probably end up with Vista by default."

That's one of the reasons why I don't intend to use vista. MS only release new versions about every five years. Right now XP is still their main product and it's from 2001, almost six years old. It's an antique, a fossil! I mean in 2001 linux users were using KDE 2 and Redhat 7, which although great at the time are no longer considered current technology anywhere.

If windows and linux continue to develop at the same pace as they have done since 2001 for the next five years, windows vista is going to be left way behind.

However, just considering vista against linux at this very moment (as many potential users will), I have to say the current features being described in vista reviews and the MS web site are not even that exciting or new right now. I had most those features in mandrake 10, and that's an edition I stopped using some time ago. Vista is not new to computing, it's just new to windows users.

Vista is not going to have a shelf life approaching anywhere near as long as MS have managed to sell XP. If they ignore how fast other companies programs are developing and try to make vista last another five years it will be very bad for their business.
 
Old 12-05-2006, 03:58 PM   #432
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Thats one problem with non-open source software. Its very hard to keep up with the release cycles of a lot of popular open source products. You've got a limited number of people working on it, a limited number of people contributing ideas, and a limited number of people finding bugs. Thats something MS is going to have to find new ways to deal with in my opinion. If they want to stay closed source they need to find a way make sure they're source is a well looked over as FOSS is.
 
Old 12-05-2006, 07:38 PM   #433
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Thats one problem with non-open source software. Its very hard to keep up with the release cycles of a lot of popular open source products. You've got a limited number of people working on it, a limited number of people contributing ideas, and a limited number of people finding bugs. Thats something MS is going to have to find new ways to deal with in my opinion. If they want to stay closed source they need to find a way make sure they're source is a well looked over as FOSS is.
which is impossible.

Another problem is that MS doesn't seem to know what it is doing half the time. Without knowing much, it seems like they want to micromanage programers with corpate exactutives, who know nothing of coding, and want to control everything to how the system uses RAM. The only other reason I could see for the slow release cycles is that they are overstretching their abilities, and keeping to newer programmers who are cheaper also could contribute.
 
Old 03-29-2007, 04:50 PM   #434
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You're joking right?

KDE has had the ability to show translucent windows & menus since... umm... well, it's been so long that I can't remember. At a guess, I'd say since KDE 3.0 came out (2002?? My memory is shocking lately ).
well....Microsoft is just one big copy cat, they stole the transparency idea from KDE, and they stole the whole orignal idea of using a GUI from Apple computers way back when....
 
Old 03-29-2007, 04:54 PM   #435
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well....Microsoft is just one big copy cat, they stole the transparency idea from KDE, and they stole the whole orignal idea of using a GUI from Apple computers way back when....
which apple stole from motorola, I think...
 
  


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