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Old 08-01-2006, 04:09 PM   #271
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That link made no sense, and is totally offtopic. I think it is advertisement...
Actually http://ramming.linux.com/programming...&tid=64&tid=65 is a link to an article on the http://linux.com site. Tho this has nothing at all to do with vista.

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Old 08-01-2006, 11:08 PM   #272
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I grow tired of all the Microsoft zealots writing things like "just wait for Vista..." as if they have something no one else does. We have already had most of these features for a long time in the Linux community.
You are quite accurate on this.

However, they are right though in one respect.

"Wait for Vista"

Surely the MS-dependent people will be waiting a long while for those bloated programmers to do their job correctly.

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Old 08-01-2006, 11:36 PM   #273
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"Wait for Vista"
Yes. It comes with this:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/529

As opposed to one of these:
http://jfs.sourceforge.net/
http://www.namesys.com/X0reiserfs.html
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/

Vista users will have to endure at least 5 more years of defragging & chkdsk/scandisk!! HAHA....

Edit: And just to rub salt into the wound, it seems that the defragger shipping with Vista is utter rubbish.

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Old 08-03-2006, 05:23 PM   #274
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Yes. It comes with this:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/529

As opposed to one of these:
http://jfs.sourceforge.net/
http://www.namesys.com/X0reiserfs.html
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/

Vista users will have to endure at least 5 more years of defragging & chkdsk/scandisk!! HAHA....

Edit: And just to rub salt into the wound, it seems that the defragger shipping with Vista is utter rubbish.
Window's Defrag has always sucked. The one with XP was worse then the one for 95/98, and I'm almost sure (if it had it), 3.1 had the best...


Chkdisk/Scandisk are both programs Linux has itself, only the system knows when its needed and when its not (ever shut down a running *nix? Next reboot, chances are it ran something similar to chkdisk/scandisk). Defragging I think will always be a way of life for Windows users. Without a whole rewrite of the OS and fs, they will always need it (fs at least).

You forgot anti-viruses, anti-ad/spyware, security glitches...

Like I've said a dozen times: Windows needs a rewrite, but does M$ have any real programmers they're not afraid to let loose? (nothing better then giving a top-notch programmer a goal, resources, and letting them run ). I think they're afair they would end up with something along the lines of: Microsoft Linux. That would be the ultimate complament to the *nix community. Finally getting M$ to admit Windows sucks...
 
Old 08-15-2006, 04:19 AM   #275
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9. Peer-to-peer collaboration: The Windows Collaboration module uses peer-to-peer technology to let Vista users work together in a shared workspace. You can form ad hoc workgroups and then jointly work on documents, present applications, and pass messages. You can even post "handouts" for others to review.
WOW!!!!! They've just invented open-source!!! It just seems pathetic that they always 'invent' something that's been around for at least ten years!! I guess I'll have to stick with XP until games won't work on it anymore, that way I'll skip at least 2 generations of Windoze OS. :-D
 
Old 08-15-2006, 10:21 AM   #276
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WOW!!!!! They've just invented open-source!!! It just seems pathetic that they always 'invent' something that's been around for at least ten years!! I guess I'll have to stick with XP until games won't work on it anymore, that way I'll skip at least 2 generations of Windoze OS. :-D

Indeed I heard a news report recently on the BBC that Microsoft are going to let people make up their own games for the XBOX


http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sear...0&go.y=0&go=go
 
Old 08-15-2006, 11:56 AM   #277
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Yes the XNA system--allowing Micro$oft to stick their foot inextricably in the doors of gaming. XNA allows you to make games that will run directly on Xbox AND in Windows via DirectX--A nifty idea corrupted by the minds of M$.
 
Old 08-15-2006, 01:01 PM   #278
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Yes the XNA system--allowing Micro$oft to stick their foot inextricably in the doors of gaming. XNA allows you to make games that will run directly on Xbox AND in Windows via DirectX--A nifty idea corrupted by the minds of M$.
Yup. Now, how long till someone makes a virus that kills half the Xboxes out there? lol
 
Old 08-16-2006, 04:06 AM   #279
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Designers will enjoy it until Microsoft will change their DirectX APIs and come out with "the next generation" Xbox that will be incompatible with all previous code.

Although many of the innovations do sound like Linux, there is one major difference:
In Windows, all those innovations run only on Vista
In Linux, all those innovations run even on Windows 95 (just install a new package)

Windows is horrified by backwards compatibility. In Unix based systems, not only is it embraced, but an integral part of the system.

Murdock
 
Old 08-16-2006, 03:59 PM   #280
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Designers will enjoy it until Microsoft will change their DirectX APIs and come out with "the next generation" Xbox that will be incompatible with all previous code.

Although many of the innovations do sound like Linux, there is one major difference:
In Windows, all those innovations run only on Vista
In Linux, all those innovations run even on Windows 95 (just install a new package)

Windows is horrified by backwards compatibility. In Unix based systems, not only is it embraced, but an integral part of the system.

Murdock
take that M$!
 
Old 08-16-2006, 07:56 PM   #281
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Designers will enjoy it until Microsoft will change their DirectX APIs and come out with "the next generation" Xbox that will be incompatible with all previous code.

Although many of the innovations do sound like Linux, there is one major difference:
In Windows, all those innovations run only on Vista
In Linux, all those innovations run even on Windows 95 (just install a new package)

Windows is horrified by backwards compatibility. In Unix based systems, not only is it embraced, but an integral part of the system.

Murdock
Yeah. They hate losing money to their own product
 
Old 08-17-2006, 12:02 AM   #282
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I am beta testing Vista. No, I am not bragging, but it was the only way to get a media center edition of windows that my remote will work with. It sounds like I am whining, but really this is interim until some kid that knows how to program develops something for this remote. Also, I am waiting for the changes that will be implemented due to AMD's purchase of ATI. There will be open source drivers for the graphic card in that unit finally. The Aero glass, it's crap. XGL is far more impressive, and you don't end up with constant failures with multiple desktops like you would with hydravision. I am running Vista on a 1.7 Ghz computer, something they will not brag about being "Vista Capable". As far as superiority, just wait. Google had quite the surprise with how many people had switched to Linux, that's why they started developing native apps for us. With native wifi in the 2.6.17 kernel, and plenty of other tidbits, Linux is a reality to more and more common people. I can barely install a package from source, but here I am, using the best OS because it is the best.
 
Old 08-17-2006, 12:42 AM   #283
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I am beta testing Vista. No, I am not bragging, but it was the only way to get a media center edition of windows that my remote will work with. It sounds like I am whining, but really this is interim until some kid that knows how to program develops something for this remote. Also, I am waiting for the changes that will be implemented due to AMD's purchase of ATI. There will be open source drivers for the graphic card in that unit finally. The Aero glass, it's crap. XGL is far more impressive, and you don't end up with constant failures with multiple desktops like you would with hydravision. I am running Vista on a 1.7 Ghz computer, something they will not brag about being "Vista Capable". As far as superiority, just wait. Google had quite the surprise with how many people had switched to Linux, that's why they started developing native apps for us. With native wifi in the 2.6.17 kernel, and plenty of other tidbits, Linux is a reality to more and more common people. I can barely install a package from source, but here I am, using the best OS because it is the best.
Wanna get used to watching compiles scroll by, try out Gentoo.

Its what I'm running now, and I love it.
 
Old 08-18-2006, 10:35 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by swagner7
I grow tired of all the Microsoft zealots writing things like "just wait for Vista..." as if they have something no one else does. We have already had most of these features for a long time in the Linux community.
if i may chime in again...
this is what i like to call the matrix-effect. remember how bullet-time-rendering was bleeding-edge for the movie 'the matrix'. prior to that there were smaller films like a dozen hk-films that used it in the 90's.

it's not innovative until it is mainstream.
 
Old 08-18-2006, 01:18 PM   #285
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if i may chime in again...
this is what i like to call the matrix-effect. remember how bullet-time-rendering was bleeding-edge for the movie 'the matrix'. prior to that there were smaller films like a dozen hk-films that used it in the 90's.

it's not innovative until it is mainstream.
in this case, I guess mainstream means "Used by Windows", not pretty much every other OS out there...
 
  


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