peter_89 I agree. Its stupid. According to the post neither nVidia or ATI sent the message? If neither of them are complaining about thier drivers, then why are they concerned? I don't get it.

IMHO the operating system is (theoretically) supposed to be the code glue that connects the hardware to software thru a nicer system than the BIOS while managing memory, loading programs etc. So why would anyone in their right mind put anything into an operating system besides the barest minimum required to do just that? Unixes have the right idea here. So unless Vista goes completely non-windows and makes it so the only time you have to reboot, besides the ever-present crashes caused by shoddy design, is when they change something in the OS kernel itself I will never buy it as long as the latest piece of eye-candy with guns runs on XP or even better runs on Cedega.

Second point:

What is the point of all the transparency, eye candy, other stuff. It may just be me, but I am perfectly happy with fluxbox (which properly configured looks cooler than vista IMHO--but then my aesthetic tastes are zen-minimalist). Any operating system where the kernel and user interface can't theoretically run on 128mb of ram TOPS is overkill on the eyecandy. You can even run GNOME/KDE on such a system if you turn some of the fancier stuff off. My brand new, shiny gaming pc with a 512MB radeon x1800, 2GB of ram and a dual core, 64-bit processor clocked a 2.5GHZ per core can BARELY run Vista and a modest game according to some of the published specs? Not that there's any game coming out that I want that won't run in linux or on my soon-to-be-owned PS3.

While using XP myself I never really had any major crashes. True that applications crash though I've had more programs crash using Linux then XP...and I've been using Windows a lot longer then Linux

I agree, you don't need overkill to have eye candy. Especially a problem if you're anything like me and using a 600mhz CPU and 256MB of RAM...

Then again saying that, I use transparency on the panels for my KDE desktop becasuse I think it works well as long as it's tinted
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i dont think the gaming issue is a big deal because i use win2k and games run fine for me. win2k (nt 5), winxp (nt 5.5) and vista/ longhorn (nt 6) use the same file-system (ntfs) and similar kernel (ntkernel) and similar executable format (portable executable).

longhorn/ vista was supposed to format winfs but a database file-system was unrealizable.

actually xbox uses a modified ntkernel and xbe executable is very similar to *.exe (pe executable)

the eye-candy from the desktop screenshots i saw look like a ripoff of mac os x because of the widget clock, floaters...

tabbed browsing, multi-desktop... have been linux ideas for years.
i'm surprised this is so slow to market. in 'pirates of silicon valley' he was able to undercut steve jobs/ woz and xerox parc within a couple years.

to add to the arguement:
pc is a marketing name used to define home computers in the 1980's (the first of which was called the ibm personal computer). intel's x86 processors have been referred to such for historical reasons.

the marketing definition of pc is any home computing platform
disclaimer: this is ambiguous and may or may not include mac

the technical definition of an intel pc is any integrated circuit that interprets higher level language code into x86 machine opcodes

i tend to use pc to mean any home (personal) computer and if needed specify what specific ic it runs on.

I'm not so sure about tabbed browsing been Linux as I would say it's more open source in general.

First time I saw tabbed browsing I think was in firefox though I don't know who started it.

And to the last argument I tend to call it a Linux box or a computer system as with "PC" I tend to think Microsoft.

Well I'd prefer PC though too many people think of a PC as running Windows imho

Opera Browser did, several years ago

so, technically Intel-powered Macs are now PC's, right?

I think they are. Now a days, only the OS really seperates the Mac from a PC. I think PC should only be used to refer to Windows computers, and Linux users should call thier boxes something else, like pengs or something.

LOL!! ....
I call them all - that damned machine

a friend of mine threats me by suing that I have a refrigerated penguin trapped inside my computer case ... LOL..

LoL raska you crack me up!

Thanks for the info raska, appreciate it

Personally I think of mine as a toy box

This makes no sense to me.
If Macs weren't personal computers before, what were they? Just computers? What makes them un-personal? Were they public computers? Private computers? What were they?
Just sounds to me like the public has skewed another perfectly good term and added it into the vernacular. Now everybody gets confused and nobody truly knows what they are saying.

huh what? my computers no longer personal? give it back!....

Call me old fashioned, but if the computer is smaller than a small fridge its a PC, if its larger than a small fridge, its ceases to be a PC and becomes a mini-computer or larger. I personally blame those folks at IBM who marketed the IBM PC and the various people that cloned the IBM PC as causing all this trouble. I guess that Macs are just now intel boxes instead of PPC boxes now.